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ucfvgirl



Joined: 28 Sep 2005
Location: Bundang

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:21 pm    Post subject: Middle School's a Drag Reply with quote

I am so tired of teaching middle school students. I am wishing my contract was almost over, yet I know that it isn't. I am in my second year at the same school and I am feeling really down this year. I am feeling like I just don't care anymore and I am tired of playing babysitter to the students.

The first graders are USUALLY pretty good and I USUALLY don't feel depressed when I leave their classes. However, when it comes to the second graders, I just hate their classes. They talk all the time, write on my desks, tear up their paper handouts, hit each other, they are immature, don't participate, show no respect, and just don't care. Now, I have to say that they are NOT all bad, but the majority of them are. It is impossible to control 40-45 students at one time. (I can hear it now....people are going to say you just have to find the right classroom management technique that works for you and your students). Trust me: I have tried them all. I am a high school social studies teacher back in Canada so I have been trained to deal with bad behaviour.

Here's what I have tried:

Moving bad students, switching the desks around in a different order, making students stand at the back of the room, in the hallway, with their noses against the wall, or infront of the class. I have made students stay in after the bell during break time to finish their work. I have taken their 'toys' away, made them clean the classroom, sit quietly without saying a word for a specific amount of time, or have them come to the teacher's room and stand there. I have yelled, talked nicely, had discussions about behaviour, talked about the rules, helped the slower ones, used encouraging words, and praised the ones that show interest and participate.

I could go on and on, but this gives you an idea of some of the things I have tried. I am all tried out. I don't want to try anymore. I want to feel like I love my job again but I just don't see it happening. I don't want to go home feeling angry every night. I want to feel like I made a difference in my students' lives.

There are other parts of middle school that are driving me nuts: The lack of communication between my co teacher and myself. "She's always so busy". And others have mentioned this in other places on Dave's so I won't dwell on it, but the idea that the Native Speakers are always the last to know. It is extremely difficult to plan your lessons when you never know if you have class or not and who has had what because of all the different activities/examinations/holidays. Finally, I enjoyed being the only Native Speaker at my school, when I first came, but now I find it really boring. There is no one to speak to, to be sarcastic with, or to just complain to. Sometimes, we need that support system that other institutions have with more than one native speaker.

I have decided that I am going back to Canada when my contract runs out to look for work. If there is no work to be had, then I will return to Korea but this time, I will work with younger students. Anyone have any thoughts?


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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When was the last time you took a vacation? Whether it be a weekend away or a longer vacation.
Have you already decided what you are going to do during your winter vacation?

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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are a trained teacher, you might want to look into the foreign language high schools or the foreign schools.

Also sounds like you are teaching either co-ed or boys. Perhaps make the move to girls only?
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
If you are a trained teacher, you might want to look into the foreign language high schools or the foreign schools.

Also sounds like you are teaching either co-ed or boys. Perhaps make the move to girls only?


Yes, large classes of grade 2 or 3 middle school girls never present any behavioural problems like what UCFVgirl described, especially when you have a 'co-'teacher who giggles when they talk back to her. Rolling Eyes
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Yes, large classes of grade 2 or 3 middle school girls never present any behavioural problems like what UCFVgirl described, especially when you have a 'co-'teacher who giggles when they talk back to her. Rolling Eyes


Oh I'm not saying that girls are a picnic, but most of the teachers I know tend to say the discpline problems for girls are a lot different from boys.

Personally, give me a class of rowdy boys over 1 princess.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've also had a cr@p day at middle school today, and the surprising thing is that I usually enjoy teaching the students that I've had today, but for some reason today they have been a nightmare! I haven't had much in the way of co-teachers today either, which usually means the chances of them playing up increases anyway. But today they just really annoyed me.

I had first grade class this morning who are usually lovely, however today this was not te case. My co-teacher kept having to leave the room, which I noticed coincided with me having to raise my voice and start shouting. I hate shouting, but with this class as soon as my co-teacher left the room they started fooling about.

Then I've just had a third grade (all girl students) class in period 7. Usually I look forward to teaching this class too because they're usually no problem. I'd planned to talk about movies and had devised a pretty cool handout with some (I thought) easy blanks to fill in about movies that the students have seen. After ten minutes the co-teacher leaves (she'd told me she might have to - although I didn't mind because usually I like this class) and the students instantly start freaking out! Its like they suddenly think that "oh Korean teacher is not here so lesson is over - whats the strange looking person at the front of the room talking about?" The activity (which would take 10mins at the most with a Korean teacher in the room) took up the whole lesson, and the students behaved as though they were in the playground. Basically I felt this lesson was a total failure, and I really hope I don't see any of the students from this class on my walk home, as I may just throw them under a bus....
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Yes, large classes of grade 2 or 3 middle school girls never present any behavioural problems like what UCFVgirl described, especially when you have a 'co-'teacher who giggles when they talk back to her. Rolling Eyes


Oh I'm not saying that girls are a picnic, but most of the teachers I know tend to say the discpline problems for girls are a lot different from boys.

Personally, give me a class of rowdy boys over 1 princess.


I agree with CLG. As nice as the all girl classes are, I do enjoy the rowdy all boy classes which I have. The all boy classes make my head spin and keep me on my toes with the complete randomness of their behaviour and answers. They also challenge me to look more closely at my lesson planning.

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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ilovebdt wrote:
crazylemongirl wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Yes, large classes of grade 2 or 3 middle school girls never present any behavioural problems like what UCFVgirl described, especially when you have a 'co-'teacher who giggles when they talk back to her. Rolling Eyes


Oh I'm not saying that girls are a picnic, but most of the teachers I know tend to say the discpline problems for girls are a lot different from boys.

Personally, give me a class of rowdy boys over 1 princess.


I agree with CLG. As nice as the all girl classes are, I do enjoy the rowdy all boy classes which I have. The all boy classes make my head spin and keep me on my toes with the complete randomness of their behaviour and answers. They also challenge me to look more closely at my lesson planning.

ilovebdt

ilovebdt


Apart from 80% of them not being able to say or write anything they haven't already memorised, grade 2 and 3 high school girls are a dream to teach - except when you get the very odd one who's determined to be difficult and just sits there sulking for the rest of the lesson after you tell her off, making a show of refusing to do anything, like happened today. A trip to dam-eam sungsaengnim to look over the class photo-sheet, communicating in broken English and Korean and miming (and looking up 'difficult, indolent, lazy, and try' on the handphone dictionary, and then an obstinate girl getting dragged out of her next lesson and after who-knows-what happened a very sorry girl getting marched to the waygook to apologise should insure it doesn't happen again, though.
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passport220



Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one class out of 36 boy�s classes that has mostly bright motivated boys (they can be rowdy and spirited, but it is good natured and in line with the lesson). This is hands down my most enjoyable class.

However, day in and day out it is the girls classes that I have the least problems with and on aggregate enjoy teaching the most.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to join this chorus. I had my one Extra class of middle school students (Grades 1 & 2) today and am ready to spit nails.

First only 7 of the 15 showed up. I started class a couple of minutes late hoping the rest would show up. Those that were there were rowdy to start things off and just when I decided to stop the lesson and get the cell phones and toys put away, two more girls showed up. They were late because they'd been cleaning their classroom. Go back to chewing the rest out and before I'm finished two more boys show up. Same excuse. I think a few of them understood the new words: rude, impolite and disrespectful.

Finally get things going again and the first activity went well. Start the second activity and have to take a cell phone away from one girl. Then get no more than started again and another girl has hers out. I stop. I take away the phone and then decide I'm fed up. I quiet returned her phone and told her to go home. She refused. I told her again. She refused again. (This class is in a ampitheater style room, completely inappropriate for teaching English conversation.) I can't get at her without climbing over the table and I'm not the type to grab and drag a girl anyway-- but I was tempted. In the end, I told the class I wasn't going to teach anymore today and they could go home early.

The facilities are rotten; there is zero support from the administration; I took the class on under pressure; and I've lost what little motivation I had to begin with. ARG!
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why anybody wants to work in a middle school is a mystery to me. Too many hormones. Never work with teenagers. They're too busy being self conscious, rebellious, or thinking about the opposite sex.

I'm an elementary person. My Kids Love me. I rarely, if ever, get any disrespect. The kids crowd round to give me little gifts and chat to me at lunchtimes. Cute!! Laughing
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xox



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Bundang

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the 3rd graders that are the most rude, impolite and disrespectful at my middle school. Other than that the 2nd and 1st graders seems to have a good relationship with me. Some don't really listen in class but outside of class they are always coming and talking to me asking me this and that. But I notice it depends on the co-teachers. Some students tested very well so they switched classes and they are more talkative and seems more happy being in a different class than their previous one. The ones before that were happy and cheerful seem to be miserable in their new classes.
i keep trying to brush of the 3rd graders behaviors mainly because they are going to graduate soon and I won't have to deal with them anymore. But really, going to high school with that kind of attitude i hope they meet their match and get a whooping from the older kids to whatever high school they are going to.
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel for all of you. It's not just Korea that middle school students are so hard to reach. In Japan it's just the same but worse as the boys are liable to punch or kick you and girls prostitute themselves and come to class purple-bags under eyes and still dressed way to promiscuously( I had to order a number of blouses buttoned up before even teaching.) I taught in public schools near Tokyo, so I know.

Sheeet, I had a girl grab my ass on the very first day of school!

Now, I swore I would never....ever....teach junior high again. I'm sure it isn't much better back home either. Kudos to those that can do it.
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
Why anybody wants to work in a middle school is a mystery to me. Too many hormones. Never work with teenagers. They're too busy being self conscious, rebellious, or thinking about the opposite sex.

I'm an elementary person. My Kids Love me. I rarely, if ever, get any disrespect. The kids crowd round to give me little gifts and chat to me at lunchtimes. Cute!! Laughing


I generally liked the middle school students at my old hagwon. I was there over two years they weren't the insolent or quiet types generally.

I was happier to move to a public elementary school however. I don't have many problems with the kids although my classes aren't very big. Only 6 students turned up for my Halloween lessons on Wednesday !!
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
Why anybody wants to work in a middle school is a mystery to me. Too many hormones. Never work with teenagers. They're too busy being self conscious, rebellious, or thinking about the opposite sex.

I'm an elementary person. My Kids Love me. I rarely, if ever, get any disrespect. The kids crowd round to give me little gifts and chat to me at lunchtimes. Cute!! Laughing


Actually it's the teenageness that I love about teaching middle school. Keeps you on your toes. Just when you are about ready to tear your hair out in frustration they do something so amazing that it keeps you hooked to trying to get that out of them again.

I love middle school.
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