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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:08 pm    Post subject: France rebukes Israel over jets Reply with quote

France rebukes Israel over jets

Israeli jets have been involved in several incidents over Lebanon
Israel's ambassador to France has been summoned to the country's foreign ministry and warned about Israeli flights over UN positions in Lebanon.
Earlier, the French defence minister said troops serving in Lebanon had been seconds from firing on Israel's jets.

Michele Alliot-Marie told parliament the jets dived towards UN positions in October and were perceived as a threat.

Israel's ambassador, Daniel Shek, said the flights were "not aggressive" and may have been misinterpreted.

French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said he had told Israel that it must stop such acts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6133920.stm

[First problems with the Germans and now the French.]
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Israeli airforce have been pulling this crap almost daily since they supposedly 'withdrew' in 2000. Flying low doing the sonic boom and terrifying young kiddies and all that jazz. The UN repeatedly warned them to stop again and again, to little avail. Eventually, they started flying out to sea and then coming back over Lebanon further north where they were less easily detected by the UN.

I doubt the general Israeli public have much idea it's been going on either.

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Israeli officials said the flights were needed to monitor Lebanese compliance with UN demands, but the French Defence Minister, Michele Alliot-Marie, said the attitude of the Israeli planes was "absolutely inadmissible" after Israeli F-15 fighters nose-dived repeatedly over French peacekeepers' positions in southern Lebanon on 31 October.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1962992.ece

I don't quite understand what they hope to achieve, apart from making themselves look like arseholes.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

France, how typical. Probably the most muslim and anti-semitic country in western Europe.
They should keep to policing their own intifida.
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the French defence minister said troops serving in Lebanon had been seconds from firing on Israel's jets.


Maybe the French troops remember the US Liberty:





34 Killed, 173 wounded.


"...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."

CIA Director Richard Helms

"I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship."
-- NSA Deputy Director Oliver Kirby


"That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable"

-- Special Assistant to the President Clark Clifford, in his report to President Lyndon Johnson

"The highest officials of the [Johnson] administration, including the President, believed it 'inconceivable' that Israel's 'skilled' defense forces could have committed such a gross error."
-- Lyndon Johnson's biographer Robert Dallek in Flawed Giant, Oxford University Press, 1998, pp. 430-31)

"A nice whitewash for a group of ignorant, stupid and inept [expletive deleted]."

-- Handwritten note of August 26, 1967, by NSA Deputy Director Louis W. Tordella reacting to the Israeli court decision exonerating Israelis of blame for the Liberty attack.

"Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Navy Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken, on faith, the word of their attackers.

-- Captain Richard F. Kiepfer, Medical Corps, US Navy (retired), USS Liberty Survivor

http://www.ussliberty.org/
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France.......anti-semitic country


How typical, there's that label again. Yes, those Israelis, poor innocent victims.
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Meegook



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What we are seeing in many of the posters here is the results of a lack of a good education. Many many young people today are being 'grad-e-ated' and given a parchment that they think means they know something. They don't. And the fact that they don't know anything can be ascertained by reading their posts.

"Before, I cudin' even spelt graduate, now I are one."

Their myopic historial perspective is such that if an event didn't happen while or since they were going to university classes, it's shelf life has expired.

These know-nothing know-it-alls can give their opinions, and boy do they, but they can't give a source for their opinions, because they don't have a stockpile or a compendium of facts upon which they base their hot-aired proclamations upon.

What they say must be true because they believe it to be so.
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The case of the USS Liberty is quite an interesting one. I've met a couple Americans who feel quite angry about it but the only thing I recall ever reading about it was this article (about a book written about it) in The Guardian about 5 years ago. The gist of the article is that Israel was supposedly concerned that the personel on the US navy ship had spotted them committing war attrocities, which they were trying to cover up. So they therefore decided to destroy the ship, thus killing all eyewitnesses. Then the US government apparently decided it was expedient not to make a fuss about it.

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At the height of the six-day war in 1967, Israel attacked a US spy ship, killing 34 men and injuring many more. The Israelis claimed it was an accident, the Americans backed them up. But, as James Bamford reveals in his new book, both governments concealed the horrific truth


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Throughout the morning, the ship sailed on, with reconnaissance repeated at approximately 30-minute intervals. At one point, an Israeli air force Noratlas Nord 2501 circled the ship and headed back towards the Sinai. "It had a big Star of David on it and it was flying just a little bit above our mast," recalled crew member Larry Weaver. "I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot. He waved back and actually smiled at me - I could see him that well. There's no question about it. They had seen the ship's markings and the American flag. They could damn near see my rank. The underway flag was definitely flying, especially when you're that close to a war zone."

By 9.50am, the minaret at El Arish could be seen with the naked eye like a solitary mast in a sea of sand. Although no one on the ship knew it at the time, the Liberty had suddenly trespassed into a private horror. At that very moment, near the minaret, Israeli forces were engaged in a criminal slaughter.



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A mistake or mass murder? It was a question Congress never bothered to address in public hearings at the time. Among those who have long called for an in-depth congressional investigation is Admiral Thomas Moorer, who went on to become chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. "Congress to this day," he said, "has failed to hold formal hearings for the record on the Liberty affair. This is unprecedented and a national disgrace." Perhaps it is not too late.



For full article click here

Before you jump to conclusions Junior - I don't know if it was a mistake or intentional. You'll have to read the book and decide for yourself.

Here are some relevant links for anyone who's interested:

USS Liberty Memorial
Wikipedia
Jewish Virtual Libray
Counterpunch article
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, so far to members of the EU have complained to Israel. So far, the French and the Germans have complained to Israel about provocative a-maneuvers vis-a-vis their troops. In many cases, if you approach someone's military too close, they often fire, and this is what the French said. I believe the Spaniards have also complained somewhat. Israel, understandably wants to monitor to make sure the flow of arms don't go to Hezbollah, but flying too close to European forces is provocative. They have a right to object just as Israel would object if the Europeans flew over Israel. Israel was told to stop flying over Lebanon. They only weaken the popularity of the government and France is trying to protect its Sunni and Catholic allies in Lebanon while Israel's actions are promoting Hezbollah which is contrary to Israel's interest.

As far as claiming the French are most anti-Semitic of all Europeans is Gallophobia and this prejudice is not credible. There possibly could be more anti-Israeli actions in England than in France. For example, academic boycotts were encouraged heavily in Britain and there was pressure within the Anglican Church to divest from Israel. By the way, Israel is not Judaism or all Jews. Opposition to an Israeli action is not an opposition to Jewishness. No state has a monopoly over Jewishness and what represents world Jewry.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RE: the liberty rathole

I thought they were trying to cover up the movement of tactical nukes.

The Isrealis should behave nicely.

cbc
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Junior



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've changed my tune. i think adventurer and big bird are right. Lets welcome Islam to the west and start behaving like good muslims. Adventurer: Inshallah. You've convinced me. Islam is the way forward, the west is a decadent moral morass that needs reforming.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the.. this is riduculous..their complaining because Israeli jets overfly Lebanon . Its dumb al this pressure on Israel yet the UN has yet to put any pressure on Hizbollah to fulfill its part of the UN resolution, disarment.

Oh and Megook, i think its safe to twll you this now, since you cant go back and edit it now, but back when you called for the armed over throw of the US government in one of your posts, I went ahead and reported that to the FBI tip line.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
Oh and Megook, i think its safe to twll you this now, since you cant go back and edit it now, but back when you called for the armed over throw of the US government in one of your posts, I went ahead and reported that to the FBI tip line.


First off, the FBI is busy finding no evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11. And being the FBI still has some reasonable agents working for them, they just might investigate you for wasting their time.

lastly, no where have I ever advocated violence for any reason. . Except personal or family self-defense. No where.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
What the.. this is riduculous..their complaining because Israeli jets overfly Lebanon . Its dumb al this pressure on Israel yet the UN has yet to put any pressure on Hizbollah to fulfill its part of the UN resolution, disarment.

Oh and Megook, i think its safe to twll you this now, since you cant go back and edit it now, but back when you called for the armed over throw of the US government in one of your posts, I went ahead and reported that to the FBI tip line.


Don't waste your breath NAVFC. Join the winning side. i think its pretty clear the west has already surrendered to allah, and you are clearly in the minorty. Join everyone else on this board and get thee to the mosque already.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meegook wrote:
NAVFC wrote:
Oh and Megook, i think its safe to twll you this now, since you cant go back and edit it now, but back when you called for the armed over throw of the US government in one of your posts, I went ahead and reported that to the FBI tip line.


First off, the FBI is busy finding no evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11. And being the FBI still has some reasonable agents working for them, they just might investigate you for wasting their time.

lastly, no where have I ever advocated violence for any reason. . Except personal or family self-defense. No where.



No connection to 9-11? HAHAHA you dont watch much news.
Several al qaeda audio tapes and video tapes that have been released have either bin laden or Al Zawahiri BOASTING OF THE ATTACKS, TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.


"lastly, no where have I ever advocated violence for any reason. . Except personal or family self-defense. No where.[/quote]"

Yes you did. You called for militias to fight the gvernment. You said it was time to do so.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personal attack and Rat hole.

Play nice.

cbc
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Junior



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:

Several al qaeda audio tapes and video tapes that have been released have either bin laden or Al Zawahiri BOASTING OF THE ATTACKS, TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.


Ban this racist thread of evil lies.
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