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Blinky Bill
Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Location: Jinju, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: Does personal/work life reflect on your attitude to Korea |
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I have just read the post "Korea Pro's and Con's" on this discussion board. Like many other posters, there are things I like about Korea and things I don't like. I also have good and bad days in Korea.
After reading that post, I asked myself, do the posters who really like Korea and have more pro's than con's, do they also have a happy working environment and a happy personal life in Korea. If so, does that influence their personal attitude to Korea.
In contrast, do the posters who have a bad working environment (bad hagwon, bad students, bad school) or have a bad personal life (no friends, no hobbies, etc), does this then reflect on their negative attitude to Korea.
I will admit that if I have a bad day with students, it does reflect on my attitude to other things in Korea. When I have good days with students, the things that annoy me do not seem as big a problem any more.
My personal life has a positive influence over my attitude to Korea as I have a wonderful wife, a wonderful Korean family and a small number of close Korean friends. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| It definitely does me. When I have a rotten day at work, my patience with things Korean diminishes to zero. When I was teaching back home, a similar thing happened...after a bad day, I'd just want to go home and avoid any more people. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Me too. Fortunately my work environment is pretty good and my personal life here is all right. I like Korea. It's a hopelessly moronic place, but if it had its act together they'd have no need to pay me so much to do such a simple job. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| It definitely does me. When I have a rotten day at work, my patience with things Korean diminishes to zero. |
Happens to me in any country. I'm not a morning person by any stretch, so my patience for ANY stupidity is nil so soon after waking up. As the day prgresses and my brain begins to ungrumpify itself, things are easier to take, or even become unnoticeable. |
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jlb
Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:37 am Post subject: |
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I think working environment has a huge effect on general attitude about Korea.
Most people spend half of their waking hours, M-F at the job so if it's crappy, your other half of the day would have to be spectacular to make up for it.
My first time in Korea, I had a crap job and it was a struggle to stay sane and happy. I would try to pack as much in on the weekends as I could to forget about my horrible week and ended up being exhausted.
This time around, a way better and less stressful job (x100!) and I feel much more content and satisfied being in Korea in general. I feel okay just hanging around town on weekends and enjoying life a bit more. |
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JeJuJitsu

Joined: 11 Sep 2005 Location: McDonald's
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Does personal/work life reflect on your attitude to Kore |
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| Blinky Bill wrote: |
I have just read the post "Korea Pro's and Con's" on this discussion board. Like many other posters, there are things I like about Korea and things I don't like. I also have good and bad days in Korea.
After reading that post, I asked myself, do the posters who really like Korea and have more pro's than con's, do they also have a happy working environment and a happy personal life in Korea. If so, does that influence their personal attitude to Korea.
In contrast, do the posters who have a bad working environment (bad hagwon, bad students, bad school) or have a bad personal life (no friends, no hobbies, etc), does this then reflect on their negative attitude to Korea.
I will admit that if I have a bad day with students, it does reflect on my attitude to other things in Korea. When I have good days with students, the things that annoy me do not seem as big a problem any more.
My personal life has a positive influence over my attitude to Korea as I have a wonderful wife, a wonderful Korean family and a small number of close Korean friends. |
Why do you think internet posts reflect what one's overall attitude of a country is?
I have a great job situation, having lotsa extracurricular fun here, but still, this is Korea, and a mesaage board about issues in Korea--so I obviously will post about the things that irritate me about this country. For instance, if there was an "Only-Pro-Korean-Posts" message board, I'd have no interest. The only thing I'm on the net for is information, not singing "Kumbaya" about the Korean people. So by nature, information regarding Korea is going to be negative, i.e., banking/credit cards--these tend tend to be "bitching/problems" but it's also valuable information on getting by day to day. Bitching about Korean behavior is also informative to me, as I can learn from other posters' experience, and avoid, sidestep when necessary. Thank god for the internet so we don't all have to reinvent the wheel in every sector of Korea, and can learn from each other.
I've said this before, and will say it again, there is no correlation between the tone of anyone's internet postings and their day-to-day attitude or satisfaction with Korea, in general. Particular situations are not an "overall attitude." People who give Dave's posting any more relevance than channel-surfing the TV or a videogame, are probably not right in the head. |
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Pateach
Joined: 11 May 2006
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: Attitudes and miscommunication |
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Yes, one's day at work, health that week, and social life definitely affect how one looks at Korea. There are a lot of things about Korea that I respect and enjoy!
I have a pretty good work situation, and am happier on a good day.
Although, I have experienced some apparent racism here, like being asked to move in cafes when I am there by myself reading, because the group of women were "too close to the American." Also, Korean men who cut in front of all the women in a line just annoy me, no matter WHAT my day was like... |
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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| OP: I would find it very hard to believe anyone that would argue otherwise. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I dissagree completely. When I was back in New Zealand, if I had a bad day or week, or a bad job, or a bad social life, it didn't ever make me think negatively about New Zealand, it made me think negatively about my own life. It's the same overseas. I take responsiblity for my own life, and very rarely think in large country-sized terms about things. |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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People just want to blame someone or something for their troubles, be it an entire country or just the boss, etc. Wah! I'm a victim!
I taught some EFL in Canada and heard many of the foreign students blame Canada for their bad days.
People, eh? |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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■ commitment to the job
This is an obvious one. If this is what you intended to do while you were going to school, then you would probably enjoy the job--despite the dingaling administrators.
■ working with the right age group
Every once in a while, someone starts a thread with "I'm going to come to Korea in a couple of months. What is the best age group to work with?"
That is a question which only the OP can answer. That's kinda like sking "Who is the right person to go out with?"
■ interests
If you have an interest which can be pursued overseas, you will most likely be happy. Are you interested in the fine arts and folklore of different cultures? Then Korea enough stimuli to keep you busy. Or are you interested mainly in Western sports and media? Then maybe you had better not.
The question "Are you willing to learn the language?" should count at least 50 points. Take a look at this forum. Compare the whining threads with the threads discussing Korean grammar and vocabulary. You won't see very many names in both places.
■ introversion-extraversion
I started to include this one, but decided not to.
If you are bookish, there is plenty to study here. If you are sociable, there are plenty of nice people here.
■ birth order
I was the youngest in my family, so I didn't have any 동생's to take care of. I grew up thinking I was a perennial baby, and I still haven't been able to shake off that self-image. That is why I am always leery of any Korean who shows the slightest sign of thinking I am naive and helpless.
I am afraid I don't score on this one. |
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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I dissagree completely. When I was back in New Zealand, if I had a bad day or week, or a bad job, or a bad social life, it didn't ever make me think negatively about New Zealand, it made me think negatively about my own life. It's the same overseas. I take responsiblity for my own life, and very rarely think in large country-sized terms about things. |
ah-ha.
Same same. I meant, in Korea.
In New Zealand, I have my bike... Jump on my bike, in 10 mins Im outside the city on the breath-taking (virtutally empty) Otago Peninsula with the sea air on my face....there's no better medicine. Sublime.
Aint got nothing like that in Korea? Just soju. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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My attitude in Korea worked on a month by month basis, depending on how much I pulled between each paycheck.
If I pulled a lot and had a lot of money left in my account, then Korea was great. If I pulled a lot but didn't have any cash saved, Korea seemed over priced but with a lot of good opportunities. If I pulled little and saved a lot of cash, it seemed like Korea was a bit lonely, but a great place to be frugal and prepare for future endeavors. If....well, the last one has never happened, so I've always had high regard for Korea! |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: |
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My attitude on Korea depends on how I feel about Koreans staring - and their being unfriendly on the street.
But I had a great day in Korea today.
I did a little social psychology experiment today.
I walked into town, caught a bus, went shopping at E-Mart, and then caught the bus home.
My experiment was to practice my 'Thai smile." I smiled my head off -everywhere I went. I got heaps of "hi's" and "hello's", and lovely smiles from little kids/parents, 2 middle school girls, a beautiful 30'ish lady, and an older lady shop owner.
Why was I smiling? I'm leaving Korea in December for Thailand. So I wanted to see if Koreans react like Thais do when you smile all the time. Seems Koreans do react to a smiley-friendly 'foreigner'. Perhaps I should have done this experiment a while ago - maybe I wouldn't have resigned. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| I dissagree completely. When I was back in New Zealand, if I had a bad day or week, or a bad job, or a bad social life, it didn't ever make me think negatively about New Zealand, it made me think negatively about my own life. It's the same overseas. I take responsiblity for my own life, and very rarely think in large country-sized terms about things. |
ah-ha.
Same same. I meant, in Korea.
In New Zealand, I have my bike... Jump on my bike, in 10 mins Im outside the city on the breath-taking (virtutally empty) Otago Peninsula with the sea air on my face....there's no better medicine. Sublime.
Aint got nothing like that in Korea? Just soju. |
Right, sure, but the point Im making is, I guess, that if you don't blame the country you're for your bad days when you're back home, why do it abroad? I think it's more to do with micro-things that you have a lot of control over, and not so much to do with the country it's self... |
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