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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: A Grand Kerfuffle |
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I've lived in Korea for about two years. Up until last week, I had steered pretty clear of Korean guys, with the exception of a drunken smooch on my birthday with someone who happened to be born on the same day.
I don't generally see eye-to-eye with Koreans (even the tall ones) in terms of romance. I dislike clinginess, wild declarations, and I'm just not very sentimental. I can't stand romantic movies or even music, whereas I find Koreans to be a little prone to melodrama.
I'm not overly attracted to them either, I confess. I can appreciate their litheness and I've seen some genuinely lovely guys, but no one whose body AND personality made my liver quiver.
Last week, I was greeted by an instructor at my school who had recently started part-time. We didn't talk for long, but exchanged phone numbers, since he had lived in the US for 9 years and seemed pretty cool. He had a solid look to him, which I liked (I prefer not to be the hefty one in the relationship.)
We didn't get off to the best start. He called me before the weekend, but the soonest I could see him was Tuesday. We made a date for then, and he stood me up. A couple hours later, he replied with an apologetic text, saying he had been at the dentist. He didn't suggest another meeting, and I didn't reply.
The next day, I got a bizarre text from him:
i cut maself omg in ma finger. would u help me if you have bandaid?
I replied that I didn't have a bandaid, and asked if he was okay.
He wrote:
i try to be ok. i would be absolutely ok if I see u
Lame and manipulative. I didn't want to encourage him in his pity-ploy, so I wrote "I'm not a doctor (or a dentist) " He didn't reply. I felt I had been harsh (what's wrong with me?), so a couple hours later I suggested that we get some pizza.
Things went pretty much as expected. He offered to hold my purse, was very chivalrous with doors, walking on the traffic side of the side-walk, insisting on paying, etc. Right from the get-go, I tried to explain that I didn't want to consider it a date until we had gotten to know each other a bit. I explained that I wasn't romantic by nature, that I wanted to take things very slowly.
The conversation over pizza was cool. We talked about his experience in the States, and Korean culture v. Western culture, etc. I had another class to teach, so we went back to the school and hung out in my office for a while, looking at photos. There were a few missteps along the way, like attempting the "Your father must have been a thief..." line (and acting genuinely surprised when I knew the rest of that cheesy pick-up,) or remarking frankly on my body (several times) and eyes (at least six times.)
I left the door to my office open, hoping it would inspire him to be discreet, but it didn't exactly work. He tried to engage me in prolonged stares, which just made me laugh, though he kept a straight face and repeatedly said "Look at me, look at me." While outside on a cigarette break, he mused aloud about whether he should give me a kiss (ON CAMPUS? ARE YOU NUTS?) and continued to ask me to touch his hand, or to let him give me a kiss on the cheek. Wrong scenario entirely. I pulled my sweater up to my nose, and firmly declined. He asked "Oh, you really mean 'no', right?" Well, at least he learned something of the mysterious ways of Western Women in his nine years in the States.
I sent him off with a friendly handshake, and figured I'd see him again. I was right. (Seriously, what's wrong with me?)
This afternoon, I got a friendly text from him and to my surprise, encountered him on the way to work. He was having some audio equipment installed in his car.
Him: "This is for you! Do you know why? I'm going to ride you."
Me: "No, you are not."
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Him: Do you have any schedule today?
Me: Yes, I have a meeting now, and a class tonight.
Him: I have a class this afternoon. When should we meet today?
Me: I don't think we have time.
Him: Don't think so negatively! I can stay here until 10 or 11! (He lives in another city.)
Me: I don't think we should meet today.
Him: Why? Please! Please! You WILL be my girlfriend.
Me: *panicked, walking quickly away from him, calling over my shoulder* That's not slow! I don't like that. No. See you later. Bye.
I think Kermo and Korean men are just not meant to mix.
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: My First and Last Date with a Korean Guy |
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| kermo wrote: |
Me: I don't think we should meet today.
Him: Why? Please! Please! You WILL be my girlfriend.
Me: *panicked, walking quickly away from him, calling over my shoulder* That's not slow! I don't like that. No. See you later. Bye. |
Sorry to hear that, but ultra-clingy momma's boys rule the roost. It's almost as bad as the over-protected princesses I've had to date. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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You work at the same school?
Don't crap on your own doorstep.
I learnt this the hard way, twice! |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: My First and Last Date with a Korean Guy |
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| kermo wrote: |
Him: "This is for you! Do you know why? I'm going to ride you."
Me: "No, you are not."
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This quote struck me and my advice is, Kermo, I think you got to be more forgiving about his lack of English. Give second language speakers a longer rope when it comes to these differences in communication.
You have to take extra care when dating such a person. I'm sure there are many married foreigners here who can attest. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I left the door to my office open |
You have an office AND a door??!! There went all my ambitions of a date with you. I found it doesn't pay to date women who are used to the finer things in life. |
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think Kermo and this particular Korean man were not meant to mix.
I've met a few American and Canadian women who've married Korean men, but they've all been somewhat exceptional* Korean men.
It's sad that he spent nine years abroad but seems to have learned very little about western customs and even seems to be subscribing to the common stereotype that western women are "easy" (He tried to hold your hand and even kiss you on the first date? It reminds me of an unfortunate experience that one of my co-workers had. A Korean man told her, "American women kiss on the first date." She replied, "No, not all of them. It depends on the woman." He gave a belligerant, "Yes, they do! I know they do! I saw it in 'Basic Instinct'! I know it's true!"). Maybe he didn't have any dates with any western women in all those nine years (because if he had, I think he would have learned very quickly that standing someone up, especially on a first date, pretty much torpedoes any further potential to the relationship).
* e.g. volunteers with the dishes, not clingy or prone to jealousy, etc.
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i cut maself omg in ma finger. would u help me if you have bandaid?
i try to be ok. i would be absolutely ok if I see u
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You said that he's an instructor. Does he teach English? I hope not. |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: My First and Last Date with a Korean Guy |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
| kermo wrote: |
Him: "This is for you! Do you know why? I'm going to ride you."
Me: "No, you are not."
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This quote struck me and my advice is, Kermo, I think you got to be more forgiving about his lack of English. Give second language speakers a longer rope when it comes to these differences in communication.
You have to take extra care when dating such a person. I'm sure there are many married foreigners here who can attest. |
Aw, this was actually a reference to an old joke I hoped some posters would recognize (though he actually said it), and I didn't hold it against him. What bothers me about him is not his occasional lapse in grammar or mispronunciation-- it's his intensity, his awkwardness and most of all, the fact that in his enthusiasm, he seems to have forgotten to see if I was actually into him. Where's this famous "nunchi" I've been hearing about?
In this case, I explained why you shouldn't say that, because I wouldn't want him to make the same mistake with someone without a sense of humour.
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: My First and Last Date with a Korean Guy |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
| kermo wrote: |
Him: "This is for you! Do you know why? I'm going to ride you."
Me: "No, you are not."
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This quote struck me and my advice is, Kermo, I think you got to be more forgiving about his lack of English. Give second language speakers a longer rope when it comes to these differences in communication.
You have to take extra care when dating such a person. I'm sure there are many married foreigners here who can attest. |
I think that Kermo knows that he meant, "I'll give you a ride," because in another thread she mentioned this phrase, as well as another one, also spoken to her by a Korean man ... "I'll stretch you."  |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
I think Kermo and this particular Korean man were not meant to mix.
I've met a few American and Canadian women who've married Korean men, but they've all been somewhat exceptional* Korean men.
It's sad that he spent nine years abroad but seems to have learned very little about western customs and even seems to be subscribing to the common stereotype that western women are "easy" (He tried to hold your hand and even kiss you on the first date? It reminds me of an unfortunate experience that one of my co-workers had. A Korean man told her, "American women kiss on the first date." She replied, "No, not all of them. It depends on the woman." He gave a belligerant, "Yes, they do! I know they do! I saw it in 'Basic Instinct'! I know it's true!"). Maybe he didn't have any dates with any western women in all those nine years (because if he had, I think he would have learned very quickly that standing someone up, especially on a first date, pretty much torpedoes any further potential to the relationship).
* e.g. volunteers with the dishes, not clingy or prone to jealousy, etc.
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i cut maself omg in ma finger. would u help me if you have bandaid?
i try to be ok. i would be absolutely ok if I see u
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You said that he's an instructor. Does he teach English? I hope not. |
Yep, he teaches English grammar, but he's miles ahead of our students.
I wasn't going to mention the text messages he just sent, but they seem relevant. Extremely inappropriate and useless, but relevant:
hi sweety.sorry about my careless words if it made u mad at me. i never see u as an easy girl. |
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Hans Blix
Joined: 31 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
I wasn't going to mention the text messages he just sent, but they seem relevant. Extremely inappropriate and useless, but relevant:
hi sweety.sorry about my careless words if it made u mad at me. i never see u as an easy girl. |
more please |
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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Very funny story Kermo, sorry but I laughed all the way through! ^^ Sounds like a Korean guy who called me 'his honey' on our first date. |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Hans Blix wrote: |
| kermo wrote: |
I wasn't going to mention the text messages he just sent, but they seem relevant. Extremely inappropriate and useless, but relevant:
hi sweety.sorry about my careless words if it made u mad at me. i never see u as an easy girl. |
more please |
I don't want to utterly humiliate him. I have plenty of nice things to say about him, like he's very open-hearted, he's a Hapkido master, he's very bright and educated, etc.
I sent him a text, hoping to end things once and for all, but if he really distinguishes himself in asshattery I will post it, but if it's just painful squirming or begging, I'll leave it to your imagination.
Hold the presses-- another text-- awww, he thinks I'm mad about the "ride" comment. I'm trying to explain this to him, but it's tricky. I rarely have to be so blunt. |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Kermo,
What if he said "I am going to ride you like a Harley on a bumpy road!".
Would you be game or would you have declined this man's honest passion for you? |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Kermo,
What if he said "I am going to ride you like a Harley on a bumpy road!".
Would you be game or would you have declined this man's honest passion for you? |
I can't say that I felt any corresponding enthusiasm for him, so yep, I would surely have passed. And then ran away at a slightly faster speed. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: My First and Last Date with a Korean Guy |
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Sorry to hear the date didn't go so well. Maybe you'll have better luck with the local talent some other time. I know Korean guys have a bad rep, but it was just one date with one guy.
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He offered to hold my purse |
OK, out of twisted curiosity, I've gotta ask: Did you let him carry your purse? Do you find this romantic?
This is one sticking point with my LTR K-girlfriend that persisted for a long time. We get along great in so many ways but she wants me to carry her purse, she thinks it's so sweet when she sees K-guys doing it, but I just can't bring myself to do it. And I don't. It took a long time, but she seems to have accepted it.
What do you (or any other Western gal reading) think about a guy who wants to carry your purse around for you? Heart-breakingly romantic? Or just plain effeminate? |
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