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dogbert
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 Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: Sony Drives Liksang Out of Business |
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Just one more reason I have an XBOX360, will get a Wii, but never a PS3.
http://liksang.com/ |
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Missile Command Kid
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Lik-sang was fantastic, but play-asia and yesasia are two other reputable companies in the region that deliver very, very quickly to Korea. Worth your time if you're at all interested in imports. |
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rocklee
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert, you need to look at the bigger picture. |
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Missile Command Kid
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| rocklee wrote: |
| dogbert, you need to look at the bigger picture. |
You mean, the bigger picture in which top Sony executives purchase PSPs from Liksang, but a year later accuse the same company of illegally selling gaming machines internationally?
The bigger picture is that Sony effectively shut down one of the biggest import shops on the Net, period. They did so because they didn't like the fact that Americans were buying Japanese games or Japanese consoles. In other words, Sony's too lazy to port a game over for American audiences, so instead of letting a third party sell Japanese games overseas, they sue the hell out of them. The bigger picture is that Sony is more interested in making sure that fewer gamers have their games than promoting a company that has been instrumental in the import scene.
The bigger picture is that region coding in the first place is absolutely ridiculous. If I buy a game in Japan, I should be able to play it on my American hardware, especially if said hardware is exactly the same as the hardware sold in a different country. I've never ordered a Sony-related product from Liksang. I have, however, ordered a *lot* of product from them, and because Sony woke up one morning and decided that they didn't like import gamers, one of my favourite stores is out of business.
So no offense, but the bigger picture, as far as I'm concerned, is that Sony cares more for profits than for its customers. So be it. Looks like I'm going to be caring more for Nintendo and (gasp) Microsoft than for Sony in the next generation. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| And there you have the bigger picture. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Missile Command Kid wrote: |
| play-asia and yesasia are two other reputable companies in the region that deliver very, very quickly to Korea. |
YesAsia is still in business? Or is it just books they no longer ship? |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| And there you have the bigger picture. |
Um not quite. |
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Missile Command Kid
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Missile Command Kid wrote: |
| play-asia and yesasia are two other reputable companies in the region that deliver very, very quickly to Korea. |
YesAsia is still in business? Or is it just books they no longer ship? |
Yes, they're still in business; ordered a few things from them back in August.
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| Um not quite. |
Would you care to elaborate? You know, in a post longer than eight words? |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Missile Command Kid wrote: |
Would you care to elaborate? You know, in a post longer than eight words? |
You seem to know a lot about this subject, but relax mate. rocklee is a proven contributor to this forum. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| rocklee wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| And there you have the bigger picture. |
Um not quite. |
I'm all ears.
As someone else elaborated, this was not a case of Liksang selling modchips or the like. Where's the harm in allowing motivated buyers in Region A to buy online games/machines sold in Region B? |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Missile Command Kid wrote: |
Would you care to elaborate? You know, in a post longer than eight words? |
You seem to know a lot about this subject, but relax mate. rocklee is a proven contributor to this forum. |
He's not contributing anything in this thread other than sarcasm and trying to make himself sound smarter than everyone else. |
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Demophobe
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Demophobe wrote: |
| Missile Command Kid wrote: |
Would you care to elaborate? You know, in a post longer than eight words? |
You seem to know a lot about this subject, but relax mate. rocklee is a proven contributor to this forum. |
He's not contributing anything in this thread other than sarcasm and trying to make himself sound smarter than everyone else. |
We all have our moments.
I prefer a sum-of-the-parts approach to posters; if they are helpful 90% of the time, they are entitled to a few wacky posts. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
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| Missile Command Kid wrote: |
Would you care to elaborate? You know, in a post longer than eight words? |
You seem to know a lot about this subject, but relax mate. rocklee is a proven contributor to this forum. |
He's not contributing anything in this thread other than sarcasm and trying to make himself sound smarter than everyone else. |
We all have our moments.
I prefer a sum-of-the-parts approach to posters; if they are helpful 90% of the time, they are entitled to a few wacky posts. |
He's at two on this thread, so he obviously has something to say.
I guess he just gets off on being obtuse. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry guys. It took me this long to finally get down on a computer after all the iBT tests and admin resuffling.
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| Just one more reason I have an XBOX360, will get a Wii, but never a PS3. |
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Looks like I'm going to be caring more for Nintendo and (gasp) Microsoft than for Sony in the next generation.
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Both Microsoft and Nintendo sued Lik-Sang for infringing on copyrighted material by selling mod chips and other development and backup devices for consoles. Nintendo successfully won their case for an undisclosed amount against Lik-Sang for selling devices that could copy Game Boy software. Lik-Sang was sued for legal expenses and preliminary damages (a mere 500,000 euros). All this was back in 2002/2003.
Lik-Sang did it again in 2005 for trying to sell PSPs in UK before Sony's official release date, violating trademarks and infringing copyrights. Lik-Sang is not supportive of any after sales support because they are an online company. The deal was that consumers in London would get unsupported PSPs from Asia with a different packaging and manuals, and download the software, patches and manuals from their forums at their own risk. An extremely unreliable way of getting your hard-earned toys.
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| They did so because they didn't like the fact that Americans were buying Japanese games or Japanese consoles.In other words, Sony's too lazy to port a game over for American audiences, so instead of letting a third party sell Japanese games overseas, they sue the hell out of them. The bigger picture is that Sony is more interested in making sure that fewer gamers have their games than promoting a company that has been instrumental in the import scene. |
Ok then. Is there any reason why I can't import a LHD Ferrari into Australia even though everybody else drive RHD cars? They're both cars right?
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| The bigger picture is that region coding in the first place is absolutely ridiculous. |
Yes life would be so much easier if everything was the same. I wish Korea put english subtitles on all their movies.
Sony by the way did not drive Lik-Sang out of business nor have they sued. Lik-Sang played with fire again and again and this time they lost. They were in demand because they could import yet to be released products to European and American markets (HK gets a lot of Sony stuff before everyone elses because they're so close to Japan). Now that their bread and butter was gone, they're either going to forget chasing the big dollars or lay low for a while and rely on the whines and support of their customers. Given Sony's poor reputation over the past few months, I'd say the latter.
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| He's not contributing anything in this thread other than sarcasm and trying to make himself sound smarter than everyone else. |
And you are? |
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Missile Command Kid
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| rocklee wrote: |
Sorry guys. It took me this long to finally get down on a computer after all the iBT tests and admin resuffling.
Both Microsoft and Nintendo sued Lik-Sang for infringing on copyrighted material by selling mod chips and other development and backup devices for consoles. Nintendo successfully won their case for an undisclosed amount against Lik-Sang for selling devices that could copy Game Boy software. Lik-Sang was sued for legal expenses and preliminary damages (a mere 500,000 euros). All this was back in 2002/2003. |
Apples and oranges. Mod chips that allow customers to play downloaded games means that Nintendo gets no profit from software. Selling consoles from a different region means that Sony still gets the profits of software, as these consoles were not modified to play backed-up games. Nintendo was taking a hit on software sales; Sony didn't.
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| Lik-Sang did it again in 2005 for trying to sell PSPs in UK before Sony's official release date, violating trademarks and infringing copyrights. Lik-Sang is not supportive of any after sales support because they are an online company. The deal was that consumers in London would get unsupported PSPs from Asia with a different packaging and manuals, and download the software, patches and manuals from their forums at their own risk. An extremely unreliable way of getting your hard-earned toys. |
Unreliable, but I don't see anything ethically wrong yet.
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| Ok then. Is there any reason why I can't import a LHD Ferrari into Australia even though everybody else drive RHD cars? They're both cars right? |
We're talking about consoles that are feature for feature identical except for a single bit that allows you to only play games sold in a specific geographic location. The difference between two consoles sold in different regions, taking into account the variety of games sold in each location, is substantially more significant than a car that's otherwise identical except for its driving column.
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| Yes life would be so much easier if everything was the same. I wish Korea put english subtitles on all their movies. |
This isn't a matter of not spending many hours translating a game; this is a matter of Sony, Nintendo, et al. alllowing gamers to play a game purchased anywhere in the world on a console purchased anywhere in the world. If an American gamer can't read Japanese but still wants to play a Japanese game, why should Sony say, "You can't!"?
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| Sony by the way did not drive Lik-Sang out of business nor have they sued. Lik-Sang played with fire again and again and this time they lost. They were in demand because they could import yet to be released products to European and American markets (HK gets a lot of Sony stuff before everyone elses because they're so close to Japan). Now that their bread and butter was gone... |
They didn't shut down because they weren't able to sell Sony products any more. They shut down because they were sued in almost every single nation in the EU and couldn't possibly afford the legal costs of defending themselves in every juristiction. Sony, on the other hand, could.
From your post, it seems that you support Sony's hard-ass attitude towards its customers. Do you support region coding? You seem to be saying, "Sony was right, Lik-Sang was wrong, and they finally got what was coming to them." Do you really think that console companies should have the right to region code their systems/software?
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| He's not contributing anything in this thread other than sarcasm and trying to make himself sound smarter than everyone else. |
I do appreciate you taking the time to explain your posts. I was baffled at your position, though I have to admit that I still am a bit!
And you are? |
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