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ella
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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 Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: Why are adult classes split shift? |
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| I understand that adults need to learn around their working hours, but why are the shifts split? Why can't they be evening classes, such as 5:00 - 11:00 P.M. Monday through Friday, which would be thirty hours of teaching per week? |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| that would make too much sense |
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ella
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| What kind of response(s) am I likely to I get if I try to negotiate for those hours teaching adults? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:31 am Post subject: Re: Why are adult classes split shift? |
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| ella wrote: |
| I understand that adults need to learn around their working hours, but why are the shifts split? Why can't they be evening classes, such as 5:00 - 11:00 P.M. Monday through Friday, which would be thirty hours of teaching per week? |
Because too many office workers have time before work but even though they officially finish at say 5:00pm, they may not really finish until after 10.
Many of my Korean friends are in that position. Many of my co-workers husbands are also in that position and the younger they are the more pronounced it is.
Hence the 6-8am shift for the young workers who never get off before 10 and the 6-10pm shift for the ones who are old enough that they can actually leave not long after quitting time.
Even in my public school it is NOT uncommon for the junior teachers to burn the midnight oil, especially in the weeks before a major event. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| ella wrote: |
| What kind of response(s) am I likely to I get if I try to negotiate for those hours teaching adults? |
I think every westerner in the world has come to the same conclusion as you.. but manager never bites on it.
Basically it comes down to certain hours you need almost all of your teachers.. preferably the hour and two before people go to work.. and you need very few in the late morning hours - just your random housewives come in if anyone. So if people are doing 6 hours in the evening.. there isn't anyone in those critically busy early pre-work hours.
But if you are really interested in solid schedules in adult hogwans.. the ones around Jongno (Seoul) have so many teachers.. that with a little seniority.. you'll get the block schedules. |
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ella
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Good information, ttompatz, thank you.
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| Basically it comes down to certain hours you need almost all of your teachers.. preferably the hour and two before people go to work.. and you need very few in the late morning hours - just your random housewives come in if anyone. So if people are doing 6 hours in the evening.. there isn't anyone in those critically busy early pre-work hours. |
So could there be morning/evening teachers who teach a shorter shift in the evenings (because they've already taught in the mornings) and evening-only teachers who teach a full shift each evening? Even 5-10 would still be 25 hours per week.
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| But if you are really interested in solid schedules in adult hogwans.. the ones around Jongno (Seoul) have so many teachers.. that with a little seniority.. you'll get the block schedules. |
How about around Busan? |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| I'm surprised people still take these jobs with such a rotten schedule. I guess some people will do anything to avoid teaching kids? If they offered decent hours these jobs would be hard to get. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:04 am Post subject: |
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The school needs to be huge before they have enough adult students to block shift. ELS Chongno is one of the only adult hakwons I know of that is able to do it, and they have around 40 teachers. Block shifts there are generally between 7am - 3pm for the morning shift, and 3pm - 10pm for the evening shift.
It's not a bad place to work. |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| In my homestay situation, Mr Choi went to work at 7am and didnt come home until 10pm or later. Sometimes not at all - though thats more because of the drinking after work........... |
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ella
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: |
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I was the director of children's programs for a YMCA for several years; I've put in my time with kids. Also, I have university teaching experience and when I worked for Literacy Volunteers of America I worked with adults, mostly Hispanics who needed to learn English, so I'd rather work with adults in Korea, too.
Where is Chongo? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ella wrote: |
I was the director of children's programs for a YMCA for several years; I've put in my time with kids. Also, I have university teaching experience and when I worked for Literacy Volunteers of America I worked with adults, mostly Hispanics who needed to learn English, so I'd rather work with adults in Korea, too.
Where is Chongo? |
Chongno is basically Main Street downtown Seoul, and there are some very large adult hogwons there. |
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ella
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Is there some equivalent in Busan? |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ella wrote: |
| Is there some equivalent in Busan? |
YBM has at least two branches in Busan, Busan ELS and Seomyun ELS. Odds are permanent splits though. Here's the YBM website: http://www.ybmhr.com/ |
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prairieboy
Joined: 14 Sep 2003
Location: The batcave.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Why are there no classes after 10pm? My understanding is that because all language hagwons are regulated by the ministry of education, they are not allowed, by law to be open past 10pm. Doesn't matter if the clientel is adult or non-adult.
So, your 5 to 11 evening shift would not happen. |
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The other options around split shifts are corporate work and teaching at a university (university students count as adults, right?) |
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