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Anyone own a Jindo dog?

 
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IamBabo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:23 pm    Post subject: Anyone own a Jindo dog? Reply with quote

hello,

does anyone own a jindo? if you have one, please share your experiences, positve or negative. helpful advice raising one would be great too. pm me if that is better for you. thanks.

babo
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard they're good dogs. We wanted to bring one back to the US with us but did not. I'd be interested to hear about any good/bad qualities as well.
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khyber



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have typed up 2 bigg posts but they both got lost as my computer shuts down randomly. I'm going home right away and I'll post more then.
In the meantime.
http://members2.boardhost.com/JindoRescue/In the meantime this may be interesting (it's for back home)
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had three and currently have a pup.







The first thing Koreans will telll you about the Jindo is its loyalty. "MOST loyal" of all breeds. The wiki ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Jindo_Dog ) is a must-read if you'd like to raise a Jindo. They note the Jindo is a hunting dog and also a good watchdog. If you're familiar with hunting dogs, you'll recognise the traits easily. If you're not, be prepared for your dog to act out of pure instinct more than other breeds, in complete disregard of your commands. If he sees prey, he'll tune you out. However well-behaved he might seem at home, walking an adult Jindo requires a strong leash.

From the wiki, with my own emphasis and comments in blue:
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Temperament

The Korean Jindo Dog is well known for its unwavering loyalty. Because of this there is a misunderstanding that a Jindo will be loyal only to its first owner or the owner when young. However, there are many examples of older Jindos being adopted out of shelters in the United States and becoming very loyal friends to their new owners. (Very true.) They are highly active and are not meant to be indoor-only dogs. (I'd say don't raise a Jindo if you live in an apartment, however often you think you can take him for walks.) Jindo dogs need reasonable space to roam and run. Jindos require a lot of care and attention. They are also known to be escape artists and high jumpers and climbers. If kept in a yard, the fencing must be at least six feet high. (By no means common, it is also not unknown for Jindos to jump high walls to get into yards other than their own. Shocked )

Because the Jindo is an active and intelligent dog, it requires frequent interaction with people or another dog in the family. (I've had problems with adult Jindos not getting along with other breeds, even when they played together since they both were pups.) The Jindo will commonly think for itself. Whereas a labrador will follow orders with almost unconscious obedience, a Jindo seems to judge the wisdom (or foolishness) of his owners wishes. (I don't know if they "judge wisdom or foolishness", but they can be damned wilful.) If left alone by itself for a long stretch, it finds its own entertainment. A Jindo may climb over a fence or wall, dig the ground, or tear up the house if confined indoors. Worse still, a mistreated or badly trained Jindo may roam around the neighborhood and attack neighbors' pets and threaten people.

For this reason many Jindo dogs are found in animal shelters. Also because the breed is not well known, there are many good Jindo dogs available for adoption.

With Jindos, establishing the hierarchy (humans above dogs) with care and affection is essential. (Yes, establish the heirarchy, but don't forget that no amount of care or affection will turn a Jindo into something he's not. They're thought to be the descendents of 13th-century battle dogs that Mongolian soldiers brought over to chew up the locals. Left to breed on their own--as opposed to selective breeding for qualities that humans might desire in a dog--the Jindo today is one of the most single-minded, often obstinate & ferocious, dominating, alpha-dogs I've ever raised. However cute & playful they can be as pups, there's no mistaking the hunter instincts and the less-than-completely-domesticated temperament of the fully grown & emotionally developed Jindo.)

It is important to socialize Jindos at a very early age. As with humans, Jindos will test boundaries to establish themselves at the top of dog hierarchies--a true alpha dog--due to the way in which the breed evolved. This may result in dog aggression in the unsocialized Jindo. (Exactly what I was saying! Maybe I should contribute to the wiki.)

Jindos serve as excellent watchdogs, able to distinguish friend from foe, familiar people from strangers. They are conscious of their owners' reactions towards others and act accordingly. Because Jindos so rarely bark aggressively, especially in familiar environments, an owner may lend special credence to the warning of his/her pet. (What I like most.) Many are also finicky eaters and will not take food from strangers.

People adopt Jindo dogs because of their beautiful appearance, high intelligence, loyalty, and sometimes for their fighting spirit, then quickly realize that raising a Jindo dog to be a well-behaved member of the family takes a lot of effort and time. Many Jindo Dogs are abandoned in the U.S. because of the difficulty of training them. Potential owners who are prepared and determined to have an intelligent, loyal, but independent companion can adopt a Jindo dog from shelters.


Note how often they mention dog shelters in this wiki. I don't think that's because so many people are such bad pet-owners. I think it's because they don't know what they're getting into and assume Jindos are just another breed of dog.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except for their desire to dominate, their behaviour seems a lot like that of a GSP (also not a good apartment dog). I don't mean to hijack your thread but is there a GSP club in South Korea?

GSP = German Short-haired Pointer
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JeJuJitsu



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few weeks ago Dr. Phil was on Letterman, and talked about his Korean Jindo.
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thebum



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my neighbor has one. it's so phucking cute. i want to steal it.
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krats1976



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Jindo-Punsan mix. He's a fantastic dog, and I love him like crazy.

The Guru's post is pretty thorough. They need lots of attention and definitely a good harness for walking (just a collar & leash isn't gonna work). But they are truly loyal and loving dogs.

He's coming home with me when I go home.

I do have to take issue with this comment though:


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Because Jindos so rarely bark aggressively, especially in familiar environments, an owner may lend special credence to the warning of his/her pet.



My "Little Bear" barks every time my neighbors come home. Grrr.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Our Dong Soon and our Betty.
DS is pretty much the perfect dog. We felt really terrible about how much time she spent at home alone so we got her betty. It's a brilliant idea. Both of these dogs are SO happy.

and frankly, DS isn't nearly as dominant as we feared. Betty can play with virtually every toy of DS. The only thing DS is possessive about is her food dish (not any real surprise).


As for taking the dog on walks, as JG suggest, the leash is of paramount importance.
That said, we have a mountain behind our house and we walk both of our dogs a few hundred yards in and then let them tear around. The koreans seem to enjoy watching them (though that probably won't last) and they're very playful.
Luckily for us, DS is SUCH a SLLLUTT for treats. We say the word and she comes RUNNING 100% of the time.

I had read that having a Jindo is not an easy first dog to have. We managed; we house trained her very quickly and she's been brilliant.

And as for barking, we had had DS for about three months when we were sitting around the breakfast table and heard a noise. It took us about 5 minutes to inspect our house and realize that she had barked for the FIRST TIME in 5 months.

In our new apartment, it took her about 3 months to chill out and not bark at EVERY person walking up the stairs. Now her ears perk up but she rarely barks.

A few more comments on the wikki article:
re: Jindos with strangers.
It's a really really weird thing I just discovered this past year but the Donger (as we call her) always will wag her tail and be generally friendly if we, in a light and playful tone say "Who's that Dong soon? Who's that?" It's strange but a REALLY REALLY great aspect of the dog (or breed).

We live in an apartment and, without the other dog, DS was always looking a bit under the weather. For a year, we lived back home with a medium sized backyard. She enjoyed that, spending hours upon hours running around in the snow (which she took to like an artic hare...it was funny as hell!)


As a last point, and question for jindo owners: PLEASE oh please take the time (if it's possible) to let your jindo run, off leash, through a field of long grass. My donger PRANCED like a dear! The four legged jump. OMG, it was about the funniest thing I had seen in weeks when I saw her running. It was brilliant!

I don't feel comfortable speaking on behalf of the breed but our dog is freakin' awesome! Everyone back home fell in love
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IamBabo



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:40 am    Post subject: Jindo Dog Reply with quote

Hi

wow, thanks for all the responses/advice. i have had dogs in the past and this one just seems so different, i was wondering if i was missing something. after reading the articles and listening to your comments, now i realize i have made a lot of mistakes with her. she is very willful stubborn, and sometimes difficult to manage.

i have been walking/running her a lot lately and she seems to be behaving better. i am at the 5th month stage, and from everything that i have read, it is a critical time for her. she is a good dog for the most part, but, some days, i think i am the just not training her properly, barking at people, she won't stop even after i command her to stop barking, won't listen, and she is so scared of people one minute, next, she is approaching the same people. any help there? thanks again...

babo
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khyber



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If she's scared of people, I'd suggest that you relate to and interact with people in a positive fashion EVERYTIME.

I would say that my DS is probably some kind of mix because, during her puppyhood we had quite a big house and I suppose we played with her quite a bit, BUT she was still fairly relaxed...


whew.


good luck.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking of bringing one (or two) with me when I mvoe back to Canada. Any suggestions for a good age to bring them at?
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khyber



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey CC....those little things will LOVE...repeat LOOOOVVEEE the snow.

We took the Donger over when she was 4 months. Not really ideal as she was REALLY young and found it VERY stressful. One thing you should be careful of is that, whatever puppy you get, has the required shots (specifically rabies). So if you need to get all the shots done, that requires about......12 weeks (I think...or 9). At least at my vet.
Donger got all her shots and had to leave the next week. We cut it pretty close.
It's still easy to bring hte dog into Canada but I think there is extra paperwork (and you need to get the vet to mail in a form...or you have to mail it in) if you decide to not get the rabies shot here.

<and on that note: When you get the the rabies shot, there is a special "government" form you have to recieve and show to the customs folks in Canada. Your vet should know about that (I think ti's from the national vet association...I think)
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