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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: AQ: Do not run away like your lame defense secretary... |
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Upon hearing that the Democrats won the election, Octavius joked...
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| The terrorists have won. First Whitney divorces Bobby and now the Dems win, bin Laden must be loving this from his Pakistani cave, lol. |
Be careful what you ask for, Octavius. Here it comes...
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A purported audio recording by the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq vows to step up the group's fight against the United States, saying, "We haven't had enough of your blood yet."
The recording was posted Friday on an Islamist Web site and the speaker is identified as Abu Hamza al-Muhajer, successor to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Al-Muhajer is also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri.
"Come down to the battlefield, you coward," the speaker says on the recording, which CNN cannot independently confirm as the voice of al-Muhajer.
Calling President Bush a "lame duck" the speaker tells Bush not to "run away as your lame defense secretary ran away," referring to Donald Rumsfeld, who resigned Wednesday...
The speaker on the tape vows that al Qaeda in Iraq will not stop its jihad "until we sit under the olive trees in Rumiya after we blow up the wicked house known as the White House." He says the first phase of the jihad is now over, and that the next phase -- building an Islamic nation -- has begun.
"The victory day has come faster than we expected," he says. "Here is the Islamic nation in Iraq victorious against the tyrant. The enemy is incapable of fighting on and has no choice but to run away." |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/10/iraq.main/index.html
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BAGHDAD, Iraq November 10, 2006, 5:56 p.m. ET � A new recording Friday attributed to the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq mocked President Bush as a coward whose conduct of the war was rejected at the polls, challenging him to keep U.S. troops in the country to face more bloodshed.
"We haven't had enough of your blood yet," taunted terror chieftain Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, identified as the speaker on the tape.
He gloated over Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's resignation, claimed to have 12,000 fighters under his command who "have vowed to die for God's sake," and said his fighters will not rest until they blow up the White House and occupy Jerusalem... |
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5642694 |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: AQ: Do not run away like your lame defense secretary... |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Upon hearing that the Democrats won the election, Octavius joked...
| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| The terrorists have won. First Whitney divorces Bobby and now the Dems win, bin Laden must be loving this from his Pakistani cave, lol. |
Be careful what you ask for, Octavius. Here it comes...
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A purported audio recording by the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq vows to step up the group's fight against the United States, saying, "We haven't had enough of your blood yet."
The recording was posted Friday on an Islamist Web site and the speaker is identified as Abu Hamza al-Muhajer, successor to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Al-Muhajer is also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri.
"Come down to the battlefield, you coward," the speaker says on the recording, which CNN cannot independently confirm as the voice of al-Muhajer.
Calling President Bush a "lame duck" the speaker tells Bush not to "run away as your lame defense secretary ran away," referring to Donald Rumsfeld, who resigned Wednesday...
The speaker on the tape vows that al Qaeda in Iraq will not stop its jihad "until we sit under the olive trees in Rumiya after we blow up the wicked house known as the White House." He says the first phase of the jihad is now over, and that the next phase -- building an Islamic nation -- has begun.
"The victory day has come faster than we expected," he says. "Here is the Islamic nation in Iraq victorious against the tyrant. The enemy is incapable of fighting on and has no choice but to run away." |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/10/iraq.main/index.html
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BAGHDAD, Iraq November 10, 2006, 5:56 p.m. ET � A new recording Friday attributed to the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq mocked President Bush as a coward whose conduct of the war was rejected at the polls, challenging him to keep U.S. troops in the country to face more bloodshed.
"We haven't had enough of your blood yet," taunted terror chieftain Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, identified as the speaker on the tape.
He gloated over Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's resignation, claimed to have 12,000 fighters under his command who "have vowed to die for God's sake," and said his fighters will not rest until they blow up the White House and occupy Jerusalem... |
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5642694 |
Well, atleast they are getting witty. Evil, but witty. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| They want nothing mroe than for us to continue to fight them as we have been. You want to scare the shit out of them? Get the hell out of raq, reform and regroup into search-and-destroy units supported by intel and spy networks. In other words, fight them how you should. The worst thing we could do would be to continue a ground war where search-and-destroy is called for. If we had taken that approach from the beginning, Al Queda would hardly exist at this point. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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This suggests to me that we might have killed Al-Zawahiri in that raid in Pakistan.
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A madrassa in Chingai, Pakistan -- a small village near the
northwestern border with Afghanistan -- was destroyed and at least
80 people were reportedly killed by a powerful airstrike Oct. 31.
There have been reports that Ayman al-Zawahiri, al Qaeda's No. 2
man, was the intended target. Most of those killed are thought to
have been teachers and students from the madrassa; however, the
results of forensic tests to identify many of the victims are still
pending, and al Qaeda militants eventually could be identified as
among the dead. |
Anyway, we had a few laughs when we got Zarqawi, didn't we? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, we had a few laughs when we got Zarqawi, didn't we? |
Sure we did. And it was not exactly humane, either. But that is war.
But I do not think any of us should downplay or mock the fact that the Democrats' victory works, at least at the propaganda level (and not necessarily at the practical level), in the terrorists' favor. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher, did you ever think that it is actually psyche warfare? Perhaps they (the terrorists) are trying to confuse people. We know that bin Laden wants Bushie and his ilk cause he can drag them into fights they cant win (a ground war and occupation a la iraq). Now that the dem's are in they might be thinking oh crap what if they pulled out? Then they wouldn't ave their Jihad anymore. We may disagree on many things and I don't know everything, but I know this, the longer the US stays in Iraq, the stronger al Qaeda gets. The US can't win, look at Israel for proof of that, so as long as they stay al Qaeda will be able to recruit and raise money. |
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cwemory
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Gunpo, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: |
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somewhat (very, very loosely (possibly not at all)) related is North Korea's coverage of the election:
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North Korean TV reports Republican party's 'crushing defeat' in US election
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SEOUL, South Korea: North Korean television carried a report on the U.S. midterm election, saying the Republican Party suffered a "crushing defeat" and U.S. President George W. Bush sacked his defense minister in its wake.
The unusually quick report, carried on the North's Korean Central Television Station or KCNA on Friday night, reflects the high interest that Pyongyang is believed to have in the election that could affect Washington's policy toward the communist regime.
The tightly controlled media of totalitarian North Korea rarely report on foreign news. When they do, such reports come days or weeks after news breaks. Friday's report came just a day after the election's outcome was finalized.
"The Democratic Party ... has come to seize control of Parliament," an anchorwoman said in the North's television report, footage of which was shown on South Korean cable channel YTN. "This midterm election ended in a crushing defeat by the Republican Party." |
rest here: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/11/asia/AS_GEN_NKorea_US_Election.php |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| but I know this, the longer the US stays in Iraq, the stronger al Qaeda gets. The US can't win, look at Israel for proof of that, so as long as they stay al Qaeda will be able to recruit and raise money. |
On the flip-side, if the USA DOES pull out, then Al-Qadea will claim victory and look stronger. It will be able to recruit more easily and raise more money, saying "First Afghanistan, then Somalia, then Iraq, now we shall fight for Afghanistan again! We kick superpower ass!"
So damned if you do, damned if you don't. Fun isn't it?
That's another reason why we shouldn't have gone into Iraq. Our genius administration didn't think that the only way Iraq could not be a victory in Al-Qaeda's eyes is if it became a stable, booming, secular democracy. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Anyway, we had a few laughs when we got Zarqawi, didn't we? |
Sure we did. And it was not exactly humane, either. But that is war.
But I do not think any of us should downplay or mock the fact that the Democrats' victory works, at least at the propaganda level (and not necessarily at the practical level), in the terrorists' favor. |
Please explain, because it was ridiculous when Bush said it, it was ridiculous when Cheney said it, and it is ridiculous when you say it. They gave no reasons for saying it, and neither have you. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| but I know this, the longer the US stays in Iraq, the stronger al Qaeda gets. The US can't win, look at Israel for proof of that, so as long as they stay al Qaeda will be able to recruit and raise money. |
On the flip-side, if the USA DOES pull out, then Al-Qadea will claim victory and look stronger. It will be able to recruit more easily and raise more money, saying "First Afghanistan, then Somalia, then Iraq, now we shall fight for Afghanistan again! We kick superpower ass!"
So damned if you do, damned if you don't. Fun isn't it?
That's another reason why we shouldn't have gone into Iraq. Our genius administration didn't think that the only way Iraq could not be a victory in Al-Qaeda's eyes is if it became a stable, booming, secular democracy. |
(the underline is mine)
Ok. I agree that, in the short-term AQ will 'look' stronger. But, there is much conflict in the world and I think that those who follow AQ might quickly get distracted with Russia, China, Europe etc. Without Iraq as a spark, I don't think much of the anti-Yankism can be sustained (provided no more wars and such). Though, I may be underestimating the power of Gaza/WestBank to act as a substitute spark for anger. None the less, I think that leaving Iraq and following a sensible policy towards the muslims (isolation) would drastically decrease the threat of terrorism to the USA (while increasing it for Europe).
In my opinion, the USA ought to divide the nation (Iraq) and CUT AND RUN. Get out. Let them fight it out. Nothing good can come of staying. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Why would it decrease the threat of terrorism against the USA? What would you deem a sensible policy towards muslims? you say isolation, but what do you mean by that exactly? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Why would it decrease the threat of terrorism against the USA? What would you deem a sensible policy towards muslims? you say isolation, but what do you mean by that exactly? |
1) Well, I assume that the war in Iraq has fanned the flames a tad, and that perhaps it would be better to get the Yankee head out of the beehive.
2) A sensible policy is isolation. No muslim immigration from anywhere. Let them sort out their own problems. But, I don't know what to do about Israel. Don't interfere with their nations, don't force modernity or 'democracy' on them. Let them find their own path to liberty and secularism. We have to be patient. They are culturally about 300 years behind the West (in terms of secularism etc) and we have to appreciate that things will not change overnight. Leave them alone. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| That might work in the long term. It would also help if we stopped giving so much aid to Israel and got out of that mess totally. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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I agree about the aid to Israel, kind of.
I am very sure that if the USA stopped supporting Israel there would not be a Jew left alive in the ME. The seething masses would finish the job. But, obviously, the status-quo is totally unacceptable.
What is needed is leadership, ambition and an honest commitment to a viable 2 state solution. That ain't gonna happen, so, I have nothing to add beyond a vague suggestion of isolation and change in Israeli-American relations. |
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