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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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 Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: John Kerry - Disdain for Military - Democrat Bourgeois |
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So John Kerry thinks the Military are of a lesser mind.
"Kerry told a group of California students on Monday that those unable to navigate the country's education system "get stuck in Iraq"
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20061031/D8L3T65G0.html
His Comments as per the news today.
So will he apologies?
And why do the liberal bourgeois hold the military in such contempt.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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MSNBC is reporting it this way:
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Kerry explanation
Kerry said the comment in question was "a botched joke about the president and the president's people, not about the troops ... and they know that's what I was talking about."
It came during a campaign rally for California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides. Kerry opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several one-liners, saying at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but now "lives in a state of denial."
He then said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
That, Kerry said, was meant as a reference to Bush, not troops. Kerry said it is the president who owes U.S. soldiers an apology - for "a Katrina foreign policy" that misled the country into war in Iraq, failed to adequately study and plan for the aftermath, has not properly equipped troops and has expanded the terrorist threat.
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When put in context, I can see Kerry's side: a botched joke. This looks like a non-story to me.
Anyway, after the Swift Boat campaign (or whatever it was called) I don't see the Republican National Committee having any credibility on military matters of this kind. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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If the Republicans maintain control of Congress, they'll owe a gigantic thank you to that elitist blowhard.
I truly despise that Boston Brahmin and everything he represents. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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And why do the liberal bourgeois hold the military in such contempt.
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A far more interesting question is why the conservative bourgeosie hold the military in such high esteem for other people but not for themselves. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| how ome when bush messes something up it shows how hes a regular joe, when Kerry does it he's being an elitiest Boston liberal, i smell double standard. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: John Kerry - Disdain for Military - Democrat Bourgeois |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
So John Kerry thinks the Military are of a lesser mind.
"Kerry told a group of California students on Monday that those unable to navigate the country's education system "get stuck in Iraq"
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20061031/D8L3T65G0.html
His Comments as per the news today.
So will he apologies?
And why do the liberal bourgeois hold the military in such contempt.
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You must be one of the crazy people he talks off in his most recent comments. |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Botched joke or not, the man spoke the truth. On average, the grunts in the military probably have the same level of education as your english teacher in Korea (save the ESL diploma) |
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Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: John Kerry - Disdain for Military - Democrat Bourgeois |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
So John Kerry thinks the Military are of a lesser mind.
"Kerry told a group of California students on Monday that those unable to navigate the country's education system "get stuck in Iraq"
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So when he said people who are "unable to navigate the country's education system" (which happens for many reasons, economics moreso than lack of intelligence) you took that to mean he was saying the military was filled with only stupid people? You were able to navigate the education system but you obviously got no analytical thinking skills from it. If I say that unsold oranges from the grocery store get put in the garbage, would you understand that to mean that I am claiming the dump to be filled with only oranges?
It's not that stupid people make up the military, the military is trying hard to change that impression. However, the military does take advantage of the dearth of people of lower socio-economic status unable to access mainstream education. They provide some of them with an education, but then they must pay them back by serving in the military. People see the military as an escape (and choose to do so before they are capable of fully understanding their mortality, as studies have shown), and many of them do get 'stuck' in Iraq. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The only thing that surprised me about any of this was the fact that Bush himself personally blasted Kerry for this too. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Botched joke or not, the man spoke the truth. On average, the grunts in the military probably have the same level of education as your english teacher in Korea (save the ESL diploma) |
They got their undergraduate diploma in Canada and went to grad school in the UK? I doubt it.
PS. It's 'English', not 'english'.
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Slep wrote: |
| Botched joke or not, the man spoke the truth. On average, the grunts in the military probably have the same level of education as your english teacher in Korea (save the ESL diploma) |
They went to undergrad in Canada and grad school in the UK? I doubt it. |
I thought the same. Not that there is anything wrong with the grunts in the military (there are things, but not enough to make sweeping generalizations), but as far as I know, the soldiers (obviously not talking about officers) are not that well educated. Atleast it's so in the Canadian army, and I doubt it's much different in any army. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Slep wrote: |
| Botched joke or not, the man spoke the truth. On average, the grunts in the military probably have the same level of education as your english teacher in Korea (save the ESL diploma) |
They went to undergrad in Canada and grad school in the UK? I doubt it. |
I thought the same. Not that there is anything wrong with the grunts in the military (there are things, but not enough to make sweeping generalizations), but as far as I know, the soldiers (obviously not talking about officers) are not that well educated. Atleast it's so in the Canadian army, and I doubt it's much different in any army. |
Been there, done that. Actually, lots of non-commisioned officers are very smart, even well-educated. There is a limited number of openings as commisioned officers, so there were lots of guys like me waiting for a chance to move up to the higher ranks. Besides, to insure their investment, the armed forces generally prefers that someone has a certain amount of experience in the lower ranks before sending them to take the CO training course (although I've seen them cut a lot of corners for the kids of CO and of one former prime-ministers (and he went AWOL)). But, I must say that as a whole, people were relatively smart. The thing is, the really dumb ones are weeded out pretty early in the recruiting process through a series of interviews and IQ tests. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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If the Republicans maintain control of Congress, they'll owe a gigantic thank you to that elitist blowhard.
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True. They already owe him a thank you for the big win for Bush in 2004.
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| how come when bush messes something up it shows how hes a regular joe, when Kerry does it he's being an elitiest Boston liberal, i smell double standard. |
Good point.
Wow, a thread where I give credit to OH and Sundubuman. what's going on here?? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Slep wrote: |
| Botched joke or not, the man spoke the truth. On average, the grunts in the military probably have the same level of education as your english teacher in Korea (save the ESL diploma) |
They went to undergrad in Canada and grad school in the UK? I doubt it. |
I thought the same. Not that there is anything wrong with the grunts in the military (there are things, but not enough to make sweeping generalizations), but as far as I know, the soldiers (obviously not talking about officers) are not that well educated. Atleast it's so in the Canadian army, and I doubt it's much different in any army. |
Been there, done that. Actually, lots of non-commisioned officers are very smart, even well-educated. There is a limited number of openings as commisioned officers, so there were lots of guys like me waiting for a chance to move up to the higher ranks. Besides, to insure their investment, the armed forces generally prefers that someone has a certain amount of experience in the lower ranks before sending them to take the CO training course (although I've seen them cut a lot of corners for the kids of CO and of one former prime-ministers (and he went AWOL)). But, I must say that as a whole, people were relatively smart. The thing is, the really dumb ones are weeded out pretty early in the recruiting process through a series of interviews and IQ tests. |
No, I doubt they were relatively smart at all. At best, I will give you average (normal amounts of smart to dumb people, as any other area), the same as everything else. I worked for the army, and this is what the "grunts" themselves told me. Plus, with the current shortage and need to bump up numbers, I am better it's even worse now.
I'm not trying to put them down, it's good people are willing to sacrifice their lives for me. But I am not going to pretend the army is full of smart people. And I am not saying not being smart is bad either. My mentally disabled foster sister isn't really smart, but she just exudes happiness, and is a wonderful person, with her own strengths and weaknesses. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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It was a very stupid thing to say, but I don't think there is any way to sincerely believe Kerry meant to insult the troops.
In any case, it is demonstrably the case that the Army has been lowering its standards for new recruits -- age limits, physical ability tests, criminal background checks, scores on exams -- all of them have seen standards be relaxed or ignored to meet recruitment quotas since the Iraq war was launched. |
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