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thelaststraw



Joined: 07 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Being Pimped Out Reply with quote

I am wondering if anyone knows the law around a hagwan pimping its teachers out all over town. I am now currently teaching in no less than 5 different locations in the run a week (sometimes in one day), some companies, some middle schools, etc. There are no additional locations written on the back of my ARC and im just trying to find out if this is legal or not or if i just have to sit back and enjoy the ride(transportation times not paid for of course). Also one of the middle schools just informed me of how much they pay the hagwan for my services and yepper you guessed it, i am getting taken advantage of big time.....hagwan gets W460 000/ week, i get W180 000 of it......wooohooo great deal for me.....
any suggestions.......
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Being Pimped Out Reply with quote

thelaststraw wrote:
I am wondering if anyone knows the law around a hagwan pimping its teachers out all over town. I am now currently teaching in no less than 5 different locations in the run a week (sometimes in one day), some companies, some middle schools, etc. There are no additional locations written on the back of my ARC and im just trying to find out if this is legal or not or if i just have to sit back and enjoy the ride(transportation times not paid for of course). Also one of the middle schools just informed me of how much they pay the hagwan for my services and yepper you guessed it, i am getting taken advantage of big time.....hagwan gets W460 000/ week, i get W180 000 of it......wooohooo great deal for me.....
any suggestions.......




What you are doing is ILLEGAL.
http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM80/imm_04/imm_0404/sm8.jsp
http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM80/imm_04/imm_0404/sm9.jsp

You are required BY LAW to have EACH and EVERY place indicated on your ARC.

Where do you work. It will be my privilage to report your boss for illegal activities. Just make sure you taking a sick day when the immigration investigators show up to bust him.

Alternatively you can file a complaint with immigration that your boss is MAKING you commit immigration crimes. Ask for their help. Then you will be protected when they bust him.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Being Pimped Out Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
What you are doing is ILLEGAL.
http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM80/imm_04/imm_0404/sm8.jsp
http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM80/imm_04/imm_0404/sm9.jsp

You are required BY LAW to have EACH and EVERY place indicated on your ARC.

Where do you work. It will be my privilage to report your boss for illegal activities. Just make sure you taking a sick day when the immigration investigators show up to bust him.

Alternatively you can file a complaint with immigration that your boss is MAKING you commit immigration crimes. Ask for their help. Then you will be protected when they bust him.


If his boss gets busted he'll likely be out of a job. It'd be better to do that as a last resort- the first resort being refusing to work at any additional locations until they are listed on his ARC (or refusing to work elsewhere at all, unless his contract obligates him).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Being Pimped Out Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
thelaststraw wrote:
I am wondering if anyone knows the law around a hagwan pimping its teachers out all over town. I am now currently teaching in no less than 5 different locations in the run a week (sometimes in one day), some companies, some middle schools, etc. There are no additional locations written on the back of my ARC and im just trying to find out if this is legal or not or if i just have to sit back and enjoy the ride(transportation times not paid for of course). Also one of the middle schools just informed me of how much they pay the hagwan for my services and yepper you guessed it, i am getting taken advantage of big time.....hagwan gets W460 000/ week, i get W180 000 of it......wooohooo great deal for me.....
any suggestions.......






What you are doing is ILLEGAL.
http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM80/imm_04/imm_0404/sm8.jsp
http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM80/imm_04/imm_0404/sm9.jsp

You are required BY LAW to have EACH and EVERY place indicated on your ARC.

Where do you work. It will be my privilage to report your boss for illegal activities. Just make sure you taking a sick day when the immigration investigators show up to bust him.

Alternatively you can file a complaint with immigration that your boss is MAKING you commit immigration crimes. Ask for their help. Then you will be protected when they bust him.


Realizing that sending in the Stormtroopers right off would sure make the *beep* hit the fan for both of us I'd explain the situation/risks to my boss and give him the opportunity to rectify the situation with my ARC and Immigration. I really wouldn't want to find myself suddenly out of a job/apt with no final pay and all the headaches of having to take him to the labour board to get it. Not too mention the pleasure of having to work with a boss I'd just ratted out to Immigration.


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Tommy



Joined: 24 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, you are only allowed to work on the location stated on your ARC. There should also be an address written in your contract. This is the place immi thinks you are working. If you are working elsewhere, I'm pretty sure it is illegal. You can use this as an excuse not to work at other locations. However, this can simply be changed if your employer takes the necessary steps at immigration to add additional work locations. At the same time, you can object to this because it is not the agreed upon terms written in your contract, and if your employer adds more locations, he is breaching the contract (i think - can anyone confirm this?), leaving a possible out for you if you want to leave this place.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't go anywhere unless it's on my ARC and transportation is paid for, including my time.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely getting pimped homey. Tell your boss you know the law, and cannot work in other locations. If he fires you, go to the labor board and file a complaint.
I will say though, that how much you boss earns off of your labor is irrelevant. That's nothing to get bent about. There is likely nothing in your contract that stipulates that you get a percentage of the fee.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Being Pimped Out Reply with quote

thelaststraw wrote:
I am wondering if anyone knows the law around a hagwan pimping its teachers out all over town. I am now currently teaching in no less than 5 different locations in the run a week (sometimes in one day), some companies, some middle schools, etc. There are no additional locations written on the back of my ARC and im just trying to find out if this is legal or not or if i just have to sit back and enjoy the ride(transportation times not paid for of course). Also one of the middle schools just informed me of how much they pay the hagwan for my services and yepper you guessed it, i am getting taken advantage of big time.....hagwan gets W460 000/ week, i get W180 000 of it......wooohooo great deal for me.....
any suggestions.......


That's awful.
Yes, it is illegal and yes, you are getting ripped off.
Tell your boss nicely that you have informed that it is illegal to teach at several locations without prior permission from immigration. In addition you should discuss your wages for all this running around you do.
180,000 won out of 460,000 won is disgusting.

ilovebdt
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Being Pimped Out Reply with quote

canuckistan wrote:

Realizing that sending in the Stormtroopers right off would sure make the *beep* hit the fan for both of us I'd explain the situation/risks to my boss and give him the opportunity to rectify the situation with my ARC and Immigration. I really wouldn't want to find myself suddenly out of a job/apt with no final pay and all the headaches of having to take him to the labour board to get it. Not too mention the pleasure of having to work with a boss I'd just ratted out to Immigration.


I am aware that sending in the stormtroopers is the ultimate end but in light of his previous posts and complaints, it looks like they have few other options.

If this was his first or only complaint I would NOT have suggested such an extreme measure.

It is a LAST measure and will ultimately cost his and probably many others who also work there their jobs.

But with a shop that blatently flouts the laws of the land (labor, medical, pension, immigration, etc) why would you want to save the place? At least getting it shut down would perhaps save a few of their future victims a little grief.

Just my humble 20 won worth.
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yesman



Joined: 15 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We want to burn this place down. The problem for thelaststraw is that he's nearly at the end of his contract. However, I'm not.

So, yes, ttompatz, I want to bring in the stormtroopers. All of the compounding mistreatment has gotten the entire native teaching staff quite worked up. I'd like to quit tomorrow, but whenever I do I will always lose a month's salary because they pay us a month late.

My question is, if all the teachers take collective action and complain to immigration, would the school really be closed down and would we really be protected? What about finding other work after this hell on earth? LOR and such...

The whole teaching staff is in agreement: we don't want anyone else coming here to experience this.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yesman wrote:
We want to burn this place down. The problem for thelaststraw is that he's nearly at the end of his contract. However, I'm not.

So, yes, ttompatz, I want to bring in the stormtroopers. All of the compounding mistreatment has gotten the entire native teaching staff quite worked up. I'd like to quit tomorrow, but whenever I do I will always lose a month's salary because they pay us a month late.

My question is, if all the teachers take collective action and complain to immigration, would the school really be closed down and would we really be protected? What about finding other work after this hell on earth? LOR and such...

The whole teaching staff is in agreement: we don't want anyone else coming here to experience this.



You get paid a month late? That's terrible. Why anyone would agree to or tolerate such a thing is beyond me.

If you don't want to bring in Immigration you could always blackmail the boss over the pension and medical insurance issues...a friend was in a similar situation and I gave his boss a choice. She could either give him a LOR or we would go to the pension office and lodge a formal complaint. She handed over the LOR and now he's happily working elsewhere.

Alternately you could just get yourself fired...and then find a new job.
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thelaststraw



Joined: 07 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the advice, its really appreciated....Those of us working here know that something has to be done, but were all at different points of our contract and have different situations about leaving right away or riding out the rest of it.......I guess the one thing that we all can agree on is that something has got to be done soon......I will also take all the necessary steps to make sure that noone else gets misled into accepting a position here in the future, not until some serious change comes about.
thanks again.....
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thelaststraw



Joined: 07 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also our contract only says that an emloyee shall wait no longer than 31 days to recieve their pay, and i guess we all assumed that meant from when you start work, not wait until the end of the following month to receive this months pay......Its only done for 1 reason as far as i can tell and its real real hard on new teachers who come expecting a salary but dont get anything until almost 2 full months of work........sure makes it hard to pull a runner or leave before you finish you contract. hmmmm...
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first saw this thread I thought it was about getting oneself pimped out lifestylewise rather than being pimped out by someone else howise.

And that's all I have to say on the matter.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can go scorched earth by contacting the labor board, immigration, and the pension office but it's very unlikely to get the school punished very much let alone shut down. It would be much more effective to hand in simultaneous letters of resignation and see what they start offering you. And if it's not enough then leave together and perhaps start telling your students they should move to different schools -- for example the ones you get jobs at.
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