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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: One fare for disabled, obese, panel told |
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One fare for disabled, obese, panel told
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| The complaint also includes Linda McKay-Panos, an obese woman whose legal efforts led to a Federal Court of Appeal ruling that found obesity could be considered a disability when people travel by air. |
Not talking about the disabled part, just the fatty part. Which is it fatties, you are disabled, or you should be treated normally as there is nothing wrong with being fat? Seriously, which is it? Personally, I figure about 85% (atleast) of fat people are just lazy fatties who are too lazy or fat to get off their butts. The others probably have medical or medicinal reasons.
I used to be fat, got sick of it, lost most of the weight (still have a bit, but most is muscle now). Fat people, unless they have a doctor's note (and that can be abused, but it would still help), should pay for 2 seats on a plane, and never, EVER be put in one seat to make the flight hell for the people sitting next to them. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| This could become quite an issue for americans. As planes are pretty huge investments and dont get rotated nearly as fast as things like cars. So the designs will take a long time to catch up with the new american average figure. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| This could become quite an issue for americans. As planes are pretty huge investments and dont get rotated nearly as fast as things like cars. So the designs will take a long time to catch up with the new american average figure. |
The seats can be reconfigured. Mainly pitch (leg room) is changed though. Not so easy to change width. |
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JongnoGuru
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| Isn't seating space in Economy Class getting progressively smaller, not roomier, these days? It sure feels like it. I know airlines differ in this area, but one flight I was on in the summer, my knees would hit the seat in front of me, it generally felt more restrictive than ever I remember, and the (smallish) Korean girl with me was feeling cramped and confined as well. Seems like seating dimensions are contracting while passenger dimensions are expanding. We flew Asia to Europe and didn't see any huge people, even at the airports. Maybe obese people are just giving up on flying. |
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diver
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| I suggest base airfare on body weight. Wouldnt that be common sense? |
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SuperHero
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
| I suggest base airfare on body weight. Wouldnt that be common sense? |
You pay the fee and then when boarding step on the scale. If you are too heavy then you pay a surcharge, if you are underweight you get a refund. Sounds good to me. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Isn't seating space in Economy Class getting progressively smaller, not roomier, these days? |
http://www.independenttraveler.com/resources/article.cfm?AID=161&category=13
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The Disappearing Seat: A Myth?
Although the "standard" seat pitch has decreased almost industry-wide from 33-34 inches to more like 31 inches, airlines maintain that leg room has not actually diminished. Instead, the adoption of a higher density seat back that, at 0.5 to 1" thick, was three to four inches thinner than the older padded seat backs afforded the airlines some extra room. They filled the space with more seats (or in some cases moved the space up a class or two), but without taking away any actual leg room. |
A general guide to seat sizes: http://www.airlinequality.com/Product/seat_intro.htm
A more detailed guide: http://www.seatguru.com/ |
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hairy sue
Joined: 18 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| As a person can purchase a ticket without having to reveal their physical dimensions the airlines would have to average out and prep seats needed for oversized people. |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
| schwa wrote: |
| I suggest base airfare on body weight. Wouldnt that be common sense? |
You pay the fee and then when boarding step on the scale. If you are too heavy then you pay a surcharge, if you are underweight you get a refund. Sounds good to me. |
Yep, my version is that everyone gets a set limit, and you can reach it by combining your body weight and your luggage weight. If you're lighter you get to take more luggage than the heavier passengers. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
| schwa wrote: |
| I suggest base airfare on body weight. Wouldnt that be common sense? |
You pay the fee and then when boarding step on the scale. If you are too heavy then you pay a surcharge, if you are underweight you get a refund. Sounds good to me. |
It already takes twelve hours to board a plane... |
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Badgie
Joined: 13 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally, I figure about 85% (atleast) of fat people are just lazy fatties who are too lazy or fat to get off their butts. |
That's alot of fat-phobic, gratuitous meaness folded into one sentence.
That said, I have to agree that it is distictly unpleasant to have to sit next to a severly over-weight person on a plane. No one should have their flight utterly ruined because the person sitting next to them cannot fit themselves into their assigned seat. If a traveller knows that they are significantly larger than your average joe/jane, they should have two seats for everyone's comfort. Whether or not obesity is a disability is a debate. More of an emotional issue that leads to physical problems. Should airline companies only make them pay for one fare but get two seats? For entirely selfish purposes, I hope that they do.
Fatness is not the only thing that irritates the bejesus out of fellow passengers.
* edited for prattishness
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Isn't seating space in Economy Class getting progressively smaller, not roomier, these days? It sure feels like it. I know airlines differ in this area, but one flight I was on in the summer, my knees would hit the seat in front of me, it generally felt more restrictive than ever I remember, and the (smallish) Korean girl with me was feeling cramped and confined as well. Seems like seating dimensions are contracting while passenger dimensions are expanding. We flew Asia to Europe and didn't see any huge people, even at the airports. Maybe obese people are just giving up on flying. |
I'm sitting here with my jaw on the floor, mystified by the fact that the Guru isn't flying first, or at least business, class. What has the world come to? |
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Green Tea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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I flew to London last year on AirTransat from Toronto. They are one of these new budget airlines. I am not a large guy, but I found the seating terribly cramped. They obviously stuck as many seats as possible into the plane to maximize profits. Anyone above a 42 inch waist would definitely have had an uncomfortable flight! Fat people would not have fit in the seats because there were hard plastic armrests between each seat that could not be raised. It was a packed flight, so requesting a seat change wasn't possible.
Unless people want to fork out the extra money for a more expensive airline they should really work on losing the fat. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Badgie wrote: |
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| Personally, I figure about 85% (atleast) of fat people are just lazy fatties who are too lazy or fat to get off their butts. |
That's alot of fat-phobic, gratuitous meaness folded into one sentence.
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I used to be quite fat. That gives me the ability to say whatever I damn well want to about it  But it is true, though the stats might be off somewhat, they aren't that far off. And to be honest, more fat people need that, and less coddling (sp?). It's becoming a MASSIVE problem, back home atleast. |
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