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Canadian ESL Students - Korea vs Corea

 
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Jetgirly



Joined: 10 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:38 pm    Post subject: Canadian ESL Students - Korea vs Corea Reply with quote

I am working in a public school in Canada, teaching ESL to middle school students. Some of my Korean students always write "Corea". I don't know the exact history behind this spelling but I understand that for some people Corea/Korea is a touchy subject. How can I explain to my Korean students that in Canada, they have to spell Korea with a "K"? My instincts tell me that I should demand this spelling from them, but I don't want to be the evil dictator who is intolerant of their cultural values. Is this an issue that I should let slide? If I do need to enforce the "K", how can I do it with sensitivity?

Thank you!
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just tell them Corea is wrong, Korea is right until their own government decides to formally change it (like Burma into Myranmar), WHICH THEY HAVEN'T DONE YET. Don't be nice or offer the choice. They are currently wrong. Correct it whenver you see it.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And don't let them get away with that "East Sea" *beep* either.
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TO make a long story short. Some Koreans believe that Japan forced korea to change korea's spelling from Corea to Korea in order to come first alphabetically. This is not true. The korean government changed the spelling before 1905. There is a lot of evidence to support this. Just do a seach on Korea Corea on google. One of the more interesting pieces of evidence used to prove the Japan did not change the spelling is that Japan always refered to Korea as either Chosun, or Corea. You would think that if japan forced korea to change the spelling of its name it would use the changed spelling.
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Green Tea



Joined: 04 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Korean scholars and politicians who have begun a drive to change the official English-language name of their country to "Corea." The seemingly arcane campaign is based on an increasingly prevalent belief that the original "C" was switched to a "K" by the Japanese at the start of their 1910-45 occupation of the peninsula so that their lowly colonials would not precede them in the English alphabetical hierarchy. "
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minorthreat



Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
One of the more interesting pieces of evidence used to prove the Japan did not change the spelling is that Japan always refered to Korea as either Chosun, or Corea. You would think that if japan forced korea to change the spelling of its name it would use the changed spelling.
As I understand it, the whole thing came about as a result of transliterating the word into German (which was the dominant language of scholarship and research until the end of WWI) - there is no hard 'c' sound in German, only 'k.'
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I explained it to my students by saying that in America, Canada, etc no one would understand. Show them the spelling of it in several languages. In spanish it has a C i believe. This way they will see that its just a spelling issue, not a japanese history thing. My students were fine with it when I explained it like that.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, it is pretty simple. Latin languages use a C, Germanic languages use a K.
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minorthreat



Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: in your base, killing your mans

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

huffdaddy wrote:
And don't let them get away with that "East Sea" *beep* either.
While I know this is the deadest of dead horses, it still irritates me. My students have no concept of geography whatsoever - they think there are only two countries in North America, they can't name a single African country besides, of course, Togo, and they have only the vaguest idea where the Middle East is - but every single one of them will scream 'til they're blue in the face about what they think we should call the Sea of Japan.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

minorthreat wrote:


My students have no concept of geography whatsoever - they think there are only two countries in North America, they can't name a single African country besides, of course, Togo, and they have only the vaguest idea where the Middle East is -



How old are they?

World maps are great in classrooms.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anytime one of my students decides to take up that campaign, I say, "O.K."

Then, for a week or two, I call Korea "Sorea." It makes the students angry as hell and I tell them that the only reason I did it was because I thought that that is how they wanted me to pronounce the new spelling.

Then they get embarrassed, and I tell them that the "C-to-a-K" story was just a joke played on them by Japanese netizens.

Then, they change their minds and would never dream of saying "Corea."
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

" they think there are only two countries in North America"

So how many countries are there really in North America?
Are you including the countries of Central America?
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
" they think there are only two countries in North America"

So how many countries are there really in North America?
Are you including the countries of Central America?


I think he is talking about continents, which Central America is not one of. There are more than two countries in the continent of North America.

http://geography.about.com/library/maps/blrnorthamerica.htm

North America
Maps and geography of North America itself

Antigua and Barbuda
The Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Canada
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Greenland (Kalaallit Nunaat)
Grenada
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Jamaica
Mexico
Nicaragua
Panama
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
United States of America
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah.. this topic.. always interesting.
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