| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
|
 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| I didn't enjoy that. I want my money back. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: For those involved in the god thread. |
|
|
The "prayer study" is bunk. Energy healing works, as many previous studies have proven (ask for examples, and you shall receive).
Peace |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: For those involved in the god thread. |
|
|
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
The "prayer study" is bunk. Energy healing works, as many previous studies have proven (ask for examples, and you shall receive).
Peace |
Why is it bunk? Because you don't like the results?
But yes, bring on your scientific studies. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Better yet, take them to James Randi |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
When I was in university I read some stuff about testing the strength of prayers. The design of the experiment seemed pretty sound, and in this one they managed to get a fairly good response that prayer does work. Interestingly enough, they went on to test if praying to a certain deity in particular would increase the effects. It had the opposite effect--praying to Jesus, Mary, Allah, or God actually decreased the effect.
But it sounds like people are reaching different conclusions now. This needs to be studied more, and have people like James Randi take a crack at it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: For those involved in the god thread. |
|
|
| gang ah jee wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
The "prayer study" is bunk. Energy healing works, as many previous studies have proven (ask for examples, and you shall receive).
Peace |
Why is it bunk? Because you don't like the results?
But yes, bring on your scientific studies. |
Something is bunk because it's not true, not because I agree or disagree with it. I will post studies in a few hours. And, please note, I refer to "energy healing", not prayer to a specific deity.
Peace
Last edited by seoulunitarian on Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:37 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Personally, I don't think praying for healing is really the way to go.
It may sound cold (esp. as an xian) but when friends are ill, or other people are seriously ill, I pray for their comfort and for them have what they need to GET healthy...just not for their health.
I don't really think that praying for health, straight up, IS going to change anything. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| According to the fundamentals of science, if you can observe a phenomenon that is testable, reproducible, and can be observed in many different ways, it exists. If prayer works, science should be every religious person's friend. If it doesn't, then a large part of their faith has just been disproven. We can get the answer easily but I understand why a lot of people would be reluctant to look. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I've read about the Church of Religious Science and the Church of Christian Science both conducting scientific studies about the power of prayer. Their studies are blind (people don't know they are being prayed for, neither do the doctors or nurses) and the people prayed for do heal faster. The churches believe God is revealed through science and technology, but adhere to the morals of Christ. The churches, by the way, have NOTHING to do with Scientology (people get them confused because of the word "science"). |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: For those involved in the god thread. |
|
|
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Something is bunk because it's not true, not because I agree or disagree with it. |
On what grounds are you making that claim that the results of the study were 'not true'?
(here's the link to the New York Times article on the study that SU and I are talking about. Long story short, prayer/no prayer makes no difference if people don't know they're being prayed for. However, people who knew they were being prayed for experienced a significantly increased rate of complications than the other groups.
Bunk, apparently.)
Last edited by gang ah jee on Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: For those involved in the god thread. |
|
|
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| gang ah jee wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
The "prayer study" is bunk. Energy healing works, as many previous studies have proven (ask for examples, and you shall receive).
Peace |
Why is it bunk? Because you don't like the results?
But yes, bring on your scientific studies. |
Something is bunk because it's not true, not because I agree or disagree with it. I will post studies in a few hours. And, please note, I refer to "energy healing", not prayer to a specific deity.
Peace |
You just said that the prayer study is not true because you have scientific data of the success of another form of energy healing. That doesn't prove that that prayer study is bunk, so what does? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Novernae
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| I've read about the Church of Religious Science and the Church of Christian Science both conducting scientific studies about the power of prayer. Their studies are blind (people don't know they are being prayed for, neither do the doctors or nurses) and the people prayed for do heal faster. The churches believe God is revealed through science and technology, but adhere to the morals of Christ. The churches, by the way, have NOTHING to do with Scientology (people get them confused because of the word "science"). |
A lot of people get confused by the word 'science.' Just because you put it in the name of your organisation doesn't make it so. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: For those involved in the god thread. |
|
|
| gang ah jee wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Something is bunk because it's not true, not because I agree or disagree with it. |
On what grounds are you making that claim that the results of the study were 'not true'?
(here's the link to the New York Times article on the study that SU and I are talking about. Long story short, prayer/no prayer makes no difference if people don't know they're being prayed for. However, people who knew they were being prayed for experienced a significantly increased rate of complications than the other groups.
Bunk, apparently.) |
GAJ,
I will post studies supporting the efficacy or prayer/energy healing a bit later (I have to teach until 1 pm). I will not, however, get into a "scientific study" tit for tat with you or anyone else. Perhaps the study the OP mentioned disproved the efficacy of prayer. Perhaps others prove the efficacy of prayer. I will post the favorable studies sometime after 1 pm.
Peace |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: For those involved in the god thread. |
|
|
| Novernae wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| gang ah jee wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
The "prayer study" is bunk. Energy healing works, as many previous studies have proven (ask for examples, and you shall receive).
Peace |
Why is it bunk? Because you don't like the results?
But yes, bring on your scientific studies. |
Something is bunk because it's not true, not because I agree or disagree with it. I will post studies in a few hours. And, please note, I refer to "energy healing", not prayer to a specific deity.
Peace |
You just said that the prayer study is not true because you have scientific data of the success of another form of energy healing. That doesn't prove that that prayer study is bunk, so what does? |
Fine - so two truths are existing at once. I retract my former statement that the "prayer is ineffective" study is bunk. Just that that's another truth alongside studies that prove prayer and energy healing is helpful in healing. I don't have a problem with that. By the way, prayer is a form of energy healing. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
