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Acronyms A and An

 
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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Acronyms A and An Reply with quote

OK you would write

"An SUV"
"A UFO"

then on some they do seem to follow the rule

"An AIDS victim??"

I am confused - please help

Obviously thes are not following the rule of placing "A" before a consonant and "An" before a vowel. If we wrote the acronyms out then the rule would be applied.

Can someone please expalin the inconsistancy.
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Delirium's Brother



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It follows a phonological rule not an orthographic one.
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Flash Ipanema



Joined: 29 Sep 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I go by the way the following word sounds, not the letter it starts with.

For example, when you say SUV it starts with "es" - a vowel sound, so it is preceded by "an."

But with UFO, it's pronounced "you" - a consonant, so it is preceded by "a".

Hour starts with a consanant, but since the "h" is silent, it should be preceded by "an."

An SUV
A UFO
An Hour

Does that help?
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Ya-ta Boy



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Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to say the names of the letters and listen to the first sound...

an A; a B; a C; a D; an E; an F; a G; an H; an I; a J; a K; an L; an M; an N; an O; a P; a Q; an R; an S; a T; a U; a V; a W; an X; a Y; a Z

That is different than saying words that start with those 'odd' letters--

a fool
an honest man/a happy man
a lousy day
a mouse
a noun
a red bike
a sweet tooth
a union/ an unhappy man

PS: 'a' and 'an' are articles, not acronyms
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jinks



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

PS: 'a' and 'an' are articles, not acronyms


The OP was referring to the acronyms SUV and UFO
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"an" exists to bridge two vowel sounds

listen don't look to determine usage
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Sneaker



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinks wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:

PS: 'a' and 'an' are articles, not acronyms


The OP was referring to the acronyms SUV and UFO


Those are not acronyms either. They are initials. Acronyms are spoken as a word. You say Ess-U-Vee, not suv. Examples of acronyms are NASA, UNICEF and FUBAR.
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spyro25



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you see, the initial sound in S is not /s/ but /e/ (apologies to the IPA),

ess

so this means you would use the article 'an', which as someone mentioned bridges two vowel sounds.

the initial sound in U actually begins with a y sound yoo which is classed as a consonant, even though phonetically it is written /j/ (bloody germans), so you would use the article 'a' same as you would with car.
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jinks



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sneaker wrote:
jinks wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:

PS: 'a' and 'an' are articles, not acronyms

The OP was referring to the acronyms SUV and UFO

Those are not acronyms either. They are initials. Acronyms are spoken as a word. You say Ess-U-Vee, not suv. Examples of acronyms are NASA, UNICEF and FUBAR.


You're right.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spyro25 wrote:

the initial sound in U actually begins with a y sound yoo which is classed as a consonant, even though phonetically it is written /j/ (bloody germans), so you would use the article 'a' same as you would with car.



Learning German kinda screwed me up. Whenever I write down a non-English word that starts with the "y" sound, I unconsciously spell it with a j. Later, when i try to read it, i don't know if it starts with a j or y sound.

Bloody Germans is right. My grandaddy killed a whole mess of them. And he's of german lineage.
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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:12 pm    Post subject: I know Reply with quote

Thanks, so SUV is not an acronym, but AIDS would be
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