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Snowkr
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 Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: International Schools? |
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Hi to all
I am currently working on an MA in TESOL in California and will be coming back to Korea most likely in 2008. I am interested now in possibly finding some info on international schools in the country where the students are not all Korean. I currently teach in San Diego and really like working in a mutlilingual classroom.
I will also be looking to pay off graduate student loans within 24 months of receiving my MA and feel like an Intl' School is probably going to be the best bet. Having already spent a year working in Korea, I know how easy it is to save.
Anyone with info on International Schools in South Korea, please send me a pm. I'd really appreciate it! |
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da_moler
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd like to know about this too. A professor of International Education on my course advised me to look into working at an international school. Is the a good idea/possible in Korea? |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, most require a teacher's licence (hence a BEd or PGCE). The Masters helps with getting hired and probably salary, but without the teachers certification, you can't work at most international schools. Sorry. I have been looking into it. I am not saying it's impossible, but the chances are really slim. You are better off looking at universities with a MA. |
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da_moler
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks laogaiguk. I heard that South East Asia is a better target for international school jobs (malaysia, indonesia, etc.). |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| da_moler wrote: |
| Thanks laogaiguk. I heard that South East Asia is a better target for international school jobs (malaysia, indonesia, etc.). |
I don't know about them, but www.ajarn.com is for Thailand. And many schools there also need a teachers licence. I'll be honest (though I wish I didn't have to say it), if an international school doesn't require a teacher's licence, be careful. It might not really be an international school (I mean a real school, more like a business or hagwon). |
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da_moler
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't an MEd the equivalent of a BEd, if not better? |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't an MEd the equivalent of a BEd, if not better? |
No, this is the only case I know of that it's not true. A MEd has nothing on a BEd (I don't have either, so I am not saying this out of pride or anything  ). An MEd will not get you a teacher's licence in any state or province. A BEd (or PGCE in the other Commonwealth countries) will. An MEd is theoretical, while a BEd is practical. In a sense, the MEd teaches you how to be a better teacher, not how to be one. |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I would also caution that as a "new" teacher at an international school, you'd be at the bottom of the pay scale (unless you have previous teaching related experience and unless they also accept this after negotiation). Many international schools do pay the going rate for teachers based on what curriculum they offer (American, British, Canadian) and offer extra compensation for being overseas. But many DO NOT and being private businesses, do watch every penny.
I would also add, many only hire couples. This helps cut down their costs and I guess in their belief, cuts down on a lot of rehiring and possible problems with those of the single and more mobile crowd.
And moreover, most only hire through the few education fairs held throughout the year. Even if you are local, that is what they do and have agreements with these organizations, to hire through them.
You might want to supply teach, that is a possible foot in the door. Go and meet the principal and get on the list.
DD |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Most International Schools (all?) require a Teachers Permit or Liscence along with experience as a teacher.
A M.A. won't be a work around here.
You need that Teachers Permit or Liscence.
They usually (as mentioned above) hire through Educational Fairs and through select placement centres.
You would also start at the bottom of the pay scale as a new teacher.
However, you can try contacting schools individually as I think a select few might consider an application from a non-accredited teacher. |
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Delirium's Brother
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| da_moler wrote: |
| Isn't an MEd the equivalent of a BEd, if not better? |
No, this is the only case I know of that it's not true. A MEd has nothing on a BEd (I don't have either, so I am not saying this out of pride or anything ). An MEd will not get you a teacher's licence in any state or province. A BEd (or PGCE in the other Commonwealth countries) will. An MEd is theoretical, while a BEd is practical. In a sense, the MEd teaches you how to be a better teacher, not how to be one. |
This is not true. Sorry. My best friend has a BA (english with math on the side) and a MEd, and he has a teaching license and teaches in Ontario, Canada (but of course not at an international school). He's been teaching full-time about 7 years in the public school system. |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Delirium's Brother wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| da_moler wrote: |
| Isn't an MEd the equivalent of a BEd, if not better? |
No, this is the only case I know of that it's not true. A MEd has nothing on a BEd (I don't have either, so I am not saying this out of pride or anything ). An MEd will not get you a teacher's licence in any state or province. A BEd (or PGCE in the other Commonwealth countries) will. An MEd is theoretical, while a BEd is practical. In a sense, the MEd teaches you how to be a better teacher, not how to be one. |
This is not true. Sorry. My best friend has a BA (english with math on the side) and a MEd, and he has a teaching license and teaches in Ontario, Canada (but of course not at an international school). He's been teaching full-time about 7 years in the public school system. |
That is a rare case. An MEd will not get you a teacher's licence by itself without external factors making up for it. If a school board really needs people (see New York poor schools, ie the hood, they will accept people without BEds when necessary, but you have to sign up for several years, and you can get a teacher's licence for New York), then you can.
They will not give the average person with just an MEd a teacher's licence (to work in a public school). ANyone who doubts that can just go and check any of the provincial offices. It is possible, but I seriously suggest people do not rely on that. |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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That is a rare case. An MEd will not get you a teacher's licence by itself without external factors making up for it. If a school board really needs people (see New York poor schools, ie the hood, they will accept people without BEds when necessary, but you have to sign up for several years, and you can get a teacher's licence for New York), then you can.
They will not give the average person with just an MEd a teacher's licence (to work in a public school). ANyone who doubts that can just go and check any of the provincial offices. It is possible, but I seriously suggest people do not rely on that. |
This is true, atleast for Ontario. The friend mentioned, probably is teaching on a "letter of permission". A special permission granted by the College of Teachers (almost always automatically) upon application from a school or school board.
I taught using one, so I could teach my own French to my Grade 4s and also taught on one, as an ESL teacher, until I obtained my Additional Qualification in ESL. These letters of permission are for those who don't have the exact qualifications but are undertaking them and/or have some previous experience that might supercede the exact qualification.
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Delirium's Brother
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| For the sake of accuracy I'm going to double-check with my friend to see whether I've misrepresented things here, and to find out what his deal is. |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Unlike many on this site, I don't mind being wrong. Check this out. It is a Masters of Education at the University of Toronto that leads to certification in Ontario.
http://ro.oise.utoronto.ca/BulPage84.htm
the main link |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: |
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Indeed it does Lao.
However to teach at accredited International Schools here you still need a teachers liscence (in the majority of cases) and other M.A.'s do not lead to teachign liscences..... |
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