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Lao Wai



Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Location: East Coast Canada

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Canada's Future Reply with quote

Hey,

I just read this article on Maclean's magazine website. It basically says that if Canada doesn't make some major changes we are going to be in big trouble in the future. Maybe it's a bit alarmist, but it got me thinking.

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/business/article.jsp?content=20061127_137129_137129

Edit: Oh, there's also a mention of Korea in the article which says that Korea is an example of how working longer hours still does not boost productivity. Apparently, we Canadians work fairly long hours yet still aren't as productive as we should be. I can see this in a way. When I was doing my teaching practicum in a public school I noticed that the teachers were constantly complaining of having 'no time'. Yet, they seemed to waste a lot of time in my opinion. I.e. going to the staff room during their prep periods etc. Also, when I worked for (Human Resources Development Canada) as a summer student, I noticed the regular office workers would take hour long coffee breaks, and didn't seem all that productive. Anyway, just a couple of observations.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes if the rest of Canada operates the way HRDC does, we are well and truly *beep* ed.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, one problem could possibly be the large civil service. Places like Quebec, the maritimes, and the north would dissapear without it, and civil servants are about the laziest sacks of shit in the known world. My buddy works for Revenue Canada (taxes), and his job is to contact dillinquents, make deals with them, or freeze their accounts. He said it usually takes a couple of hours to "close" one case, but luckily for him, that is all that is expected of him, because a lot of the staff can't even close one a day. They also have "flex" time, which means if he "works" and extra half hour a day, he gets every second friday off or something. He can also bank sick days and flex days, so he ends up getting big chunks of time off. That's why it's so hard to reach gov't workers, because they are all on flex time, especially Fridays. He now works at home, so work is from 1-3 every day. Makes hagwons look like slave labour.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaseblasphemener wrote:
Well, one problem could possibly be the large civil service. Places like Quebec, the maritimes, and the north would dissapear without it, and civil servants are about the laziest sacks of *beep* in the known world. My buddy works for Revenue Canada (taxes), and his job is to contact dillinquents, make deals with them, or freeze their accounts. He said it usually takes a couple of hours to "close" one case, but luckily for him, that is all that is expected of him, because a lot of the staff can't even close one a day. They also have "flex" time, which means if he "works" and extra half hour a day, he gets every second friday off or something. He can also bank sick days and flex days, so he ends up getting big chunks of time off. That's why it's so hard to reach gov't workers, because they are all on flex time, especially Fridays. He now works at home, so work is from 1-3 every day. Makes hagwons look like slave labour.


I worked for the HRDC for 8 months (coop placement). Great job Smile
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Practically, realistically, non-sentimentally...does Canada have a 'future' separate from its despised southern neighbor and major trading partner? Would Canada even have a place at the table?

JP Sartre said something about people not being free 'from' anything; the trick was to learn to be free 'for' something.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Practically, realistically, non-sentimentally...does Canada have a 'future' separate from its despised southern neighbor and major trading partner? Would Canada even have a place at the table?

JP Sartre said something about people not being free 'from' anything; the trick was to learn to be free 'for' something.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Practically, realistically, non-sentimentally...does Canada have a 'future' separate from its despised southern neighbor and major trading partner? Would Canada even have a place at the table?

JP Sartre said something about people not being free 'from' anything; the trick was to learn to be free 'for' something.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there an echo in here?
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Slep



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there an echo in here?
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twg



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
Is there an echo in here?

It was just THAT gawdammed important
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Practically, realistically, non-sentimentally...does Canada have a 'future' separate from its despised southern neighbor and major trading partner? Would Canada even have a place at the table?



I am quite sure Canada would be on par with Australia. Definitely not a world player, but still hanging around. I don't think any country has a future separate from the other one's it borders. To think differently, in today's day and age is folly.

And yes, it WOULD MOST DEFINITELY HAVE A PLACE AT THE TABLE. right under it Smile
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blaseblasphemener



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Practically, realistically, non-sentimentally...does Canada have a 'future' separate from its despised southern neighbor and major trading partner? Would Canada even have a place at the table?



I am quite sure Canada would be on par with Australia. Definitely not a world player, but still hanging around. I don't think any country has a future separate from the other one's it borders. To think differently, in today's day and age is folly.

And yes, it WOULD MOST DEFINITELY HAVE A PLACE AT THE TABLE. right under it Smile


The thing about Canada is, it offers so many things to it's citizens. But, if need be, it could scale back or make things more user oriented, like with health care, or by lower taxes to become more competitive (as Alberta has already been doing), or by reducing the size of the civil service, or by reducing transfer payments. And even if they did do that, it would still offer a quality of life that most Asians could only dream of. And, being a "free" society, and a non-confucian society, makes people more responsive to change. We can respond better to change in the West. I look at the 90s, when the tech boom came about, where did those ideas come from? The West. China and India have capitalized on it, mainly due to a cheap work force, but where are the China Googles, Amazons, Ebays?
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Jeju Rocks



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would Canada even have a place at the table?


What table?
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