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MESL
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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 Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: university hiring season |
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| It's university hiring season and the ads don't look good. "minimum 20 lesson per week" "2.1 million, including housing allowance" "must work summer and winter breaks" and so on. I suspect universities with better packages don't need to advertise because their current and former foreign teachers network for them. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:34 am Post subject: Re: university hiring season |
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| MESL wrote: |
| It's university hiring season and the ads don't look good. "minimum 20 lesson per week" "2.1 million, including housing allowance" "must work summer and winter breaks" and so on. I suspect universities with better packages don't need to advertise because their current and former foreign teachers network for them. |
Damn, you'll get a better deal from a public school. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| I suspect universities with better packages don't need to advertise because their current and former foreign teachers network for them. |
Bingo.
We sure do not advertise. Or if we do it is not on online boards. Most of our hiring is done through current teachers or through targeted ads in very specific places.
I know SNU advertised here the past two years. Their offer was good (round 2.7 + decent housing).
Other universities advertise later (still early in the "season"). |
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Mack
Joined: 15 Sep 2006
Location: korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Really?
There have been some quite well paid jobs for not such long hours. And the recruiting season hasn't really stared - just a very early-birds. Look more carefully at the ads. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| We sure do not advertise. Or if we do it is not on online boards. Most of our hiring is done through current teachers or through targeted ads in very specific places. |
My guess is that most Unis get their waygook to find another waygook. So long as his qualifications are ok, why not?
I've never seen many Uni positions offered online. if they are, they tend to be at places in the middle of nowhere, or for not very good conditions.
What do you mean by targetted ads in very specific places? Where? |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| My position will be vacant as of the end of Feb. Probably not the best available situation, but at least a marginal step up from hagwon hell. If you're interested, PM me for details. |
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drkalbi
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems like the same 15-20 Universities post on Dave's. It be nice to see a few new ones. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| What do you mean by targetted ads in very specific places? Where? |
University career centres for example....
Job fairs.... |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
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| I suspect universities with better packages don't need to advertise because their current and former foreign teachers network for them. |
Bingo.
We sure do not advertise. Or if we do it is not on online boards. Most of our hiring is done through current teachers or through targeted ads in very specific places.
I know SNU advertised here the past two years. Their offer was good (round 2.7 + decent housing).
Other universities advertise later (still early in the "season"). |
I find the use of the personal and posessive pronouns interesting: 'We', 'our'. Homie, you've crossed over; you're now one of 'them.' |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Well coolsage...I use we because I have been on hiring committees at the university I work for....but you want to believe I "crossed over" go ahead! 
Whatever floats your boat man.
Oh and who are "they"?
Are they evil?
Who are "you"?
Who do you belong to? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Homer,
Do you consider the positions offered by SNU and Korea University good for foreigners? Do they offer the "better packages?"
From the Korean Job Board (posted on June 5, 2006):
"Length of Contract: One year (renewable twice)"
Posted By: Seoul National University
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=19167
also from the Korean Job Board (posted on May 10, 2006):
"Korea University, founded in 1905,....
Contracts are for one year and may be renewed up two times at the discretion of the university (three years total)."
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=18744
University 3 year rule
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=55461
New max 3-year teaching stint at Universities.....?
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=38934
The worst of the worst university jobs!
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=57601
What's up with universities? Man I feel terrible!
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=48150
UNI CONTRACT.. WHAT THE??
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=60552
Too Much Corruption
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=69970
Who Screws You Over More? Korea VS Japan
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=69171
Foreign scholars merit equal status: The foreign professor -- colleague or hired hand?
by John B. Kotch, JoongAng Ilbo (June 14, 2002)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
A Country of Liars
"The three representative crimes of our country are perjury, libel and fraud."
by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (July 3, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: |
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SNU offered very decent positions last year (pay was 2.9 for 15 hours with 8 weeks off, no camps to teach no intensives, 2 bedroom appart).
I know a guy from Newfoundland who has been working for SNU since 2001...so much for that "3 year rule" eh RR?
Hey some universties have a 3 year rule on the books. Some enforce that rule, some do not. Many universities do not even have such a rule.
But you keep thumping that bible RR and most of all keep recycling the same tired old links...it is good for the environment. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Just to clear things up: SNU (the English Program, NOT the institute) is offering 2.5 plus 300 for housing. The housing COSTS 550. You work 12 hours, and get full vacations.
There is nobody from Newfoundland working there now, unless they are in the institute. The department at SNU DOES ENFORCE THE 3 YEAR RULE. Once you are hired, you get no raises during your term, either. People that have been there for 5+ years are no out on their arses. Not a good place to be. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
| Hey some universties have a 3 year rule on the books. Some enforce that rule, some do not. |
Is this not a problem? What are the rules? When are they enforced? Are the rules arbitrarily enforced to satisfy a specific group in power?
| Cho Se-hyon from the The Korea Herald wrote: |
... most people take the law as well as rules and regulations lightly and violate them routinely and without any compunction. It is probably because so many people are breaking the law and getting away with it so easily that many law-abiding citizens feel they will be cheated and lose out, unless they, too, violate or at least bend, the law where personal gains are at stake.
What's more, they figure it is worth taking a risk because even if they get caught, they will probably come out a winner on balance as the country's revolving-door justice would not only let them out of prison in the shortest time possible but also clear their name and restore their civil rights.
It is because of a mentality and social atmosphere like this that many come to believe that the law - both written and unwritten - is something that could be changed or compromised whenever it comes in conflict with their interests or that of their group. |
A lawless world
Cho Se-hyon, (Seoul Seacher) The Korea Herald (November 30, 2004)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/11/30/200411300009.asp
From Koreabridge Forums -> EFL Education
"Recently we have become aware of 5 cases of employees (teachers) who have worked for 4 or more years, with the same employer, NOT being renewed. (4 years, 2 x 7 years, 8 years, 13 years,).... Those who have been told to date include University teachers, College teachers and some Epik teachers...it is a cynical attempt to prevent foreigners from getting tenure should some enterprising teacher take the matter to court."
http://www.koreabridge.com/forums/index.php?s=3a11bf5acb1ea066f95691f43e581b51&showtopic=3343
Employers want to control you.
| EdInstead wrote: |
Those of you who live here long enough (and are actually teaching here) will learn that Korea is all about control and hierarchy. Korean employees are also treated like servants, and cannot easily go from job-to-job. It's their way. If a Korean leaves a job quickly, that record follows them for the rest of their lives.
Bosses have always counted on that fact, and can easily mistreat their workers for at least a year (which is often the minimum Korean employees will put up with hell). It truly is an owner-slave mentality. Rarely will a Korean leave a job in under a year, or even two. They will endure it, just so they don't have it on their record that they left early. Bosses play this for all it's worth. Bosses even want control over that employee after they have left (release letters, recommendations, etc.). It's all about power-tripping and confucist ego.
Foreigners are different. We don't care, can get another teaching job the same day, and will quickly go elsewhere if mistreated. This disrupts the whole system, and quite frankly, is not something Koreans are mentally prepared to deal with. The realization that they don't have control over the employee is just too much for their pride to handle.
It's the same with immigration. And quite frankly, if they allowed you to come and go from jobs as you pleased, they would have to increase their staff ten-fold due to all of the sucky employers here, and people leaving.
Posted: August 11, 2006
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=63407
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Things may be slightly better if a foreigner can obtain a F series visa. However, what about foreigners that do not qualify for or cannot obtain an F series visa?
2001 College Education Advancement Index by the Korean Council for University Education (KCUE).
Full-time professors' average monthly wage (before taxation) was 4,914,000 won, which is 12.2 percent higher than the previous year's 4,379,000 won. Also, deputy professors, assistant professors, and full-time lecturers had similar increases in their salaries.
Donga.com (FEBRUARY 14, 2002)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2002021400798
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
Site Address: http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448 |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Well my friend is at SNU now...perhaps it is the institute then.
He still makes 2.9 and has a very decent work package.
Will check.
As for you RR...keep investigating and crusading...it will lead you somewhere at some point...or not. |
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