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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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 Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: If the US imploded tonight... |
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| how many miliseconds woud pass before Octavious Hite did the same? |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: |
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OH is harmless. What little joy is in his life is derived from finding fault in our country. It's not his fault. Blame Canadian Heritage Moments.
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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I am so honoured that I've been given a thread, but again you might be shocked to find out that I really don't hate the US. I think it is important for people to make sure that the US lives up to its values and proclaimed mission in the world. It's important that the country isn't hijacked by religious or facist nuts that could bring about the end of the Earth as the US is realistically the only country with the power to do just that.
Thanks again for the mention though, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy! |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I've found this interesting and it's a legit phenomena.
People like Octavious (Canadians) who say things and feel the same way millions upon millions of Americans do are "anti-American" while by definition he (they) are only exercising the very freedom America is supposed to stand for....
As to the issue on the whole, I think it's important to note that there is an enormous double standard in US foreign policy, and domestic policy. It's one that may be due to 'pragmatism' or 'realpolitik' or simple indifference, but in any case it does undermine American credibility on issues, which is, I think one of the big things that Octavious does with many of his post about the US/Bush.
When you accept the aid of and support whacko regimes around the world, have massive economic inequity, when you have massive social inequity(gays, women--- esp. if Roe gets overturned) people SHOULD, nay, MUST take the time to point them out. Octavious, in my view is fulfilling an important civic role, and one specifically put there by the founding fathers.
I view the world's perception of America as mirroring America's fascination with celebrities: Celebrities are rich, powerful, influential people who make demands galore of anyone and everyone they interact with. Then they complain when the paparazzi wont leave them alone and when stories about their 'personal' lives get published.
If you wanna live the life, better be wiling to accept everything that comes with it.... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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When you accept the aid of and support whacko regimes around the world, have massive economic inequity, when you have massive social inequity(gays, women--- esp. if Roe gets overturned) people SHOULD, nay, MUST take the time to point them out. Octavious, in my view is fulfilling an important civic role, and one specifically put there by the founding fathers.
I view the world's perception of America as mirroring America's fascination with celebrities: Celebrities are rich, powerful, influential people who make demands galore of anyone and everyone they interact with. Then they complain when the paparazzi wont leave them alone and when stories about their 'personal' lives get published.
If you wanna live the life, better be wiling to accept everything that comes with it.... |
There are many well-spoken Canadians on this board who point out legitimate objections to the US. However, making remarks like, 'The Land of the Free, eh?' to an article describing how one town has recently banned flying foreign flags, does not seem to me like a legitimate objection but more like trolling for dirt. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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You're right, this board is full of intellectual weight so when I make an off the cuff remark, or even one that is very true I just say it in a mean way I should expect to get pummeled by the academic heavyweights on this board??
Luckily I don't take this place too seriously and I know how smart I am and those who are around me in the real world, so it's ok.
I do like being the topic of discussion though, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy! |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
I am so honoured that I've been given a thread, but again you might be shocked to find out that I really don't hate the US. I think it is important for people to make sure that the US lives up to its values and proclaimed mission in the world. It's important that the country isn't hijacked by religious or facist nuts that could bring about the end of the Earth as the US is realistically the only country with the power to do just that.
Thanks again for the mention though, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy! |
We have been living up to it. But tis people sucha s yourself who want tot urn every US move into some kind of crime of war.
Its funny you know..when Bushw as first elected, the naysayers all said Bush was a idiot, he can't do anything that he was too stupid to be president. Then the Iraq war started and it all changed. Bush went from bumbling boob to criminal genius masterrmind carefuly masterminding conspiracy to fake terrror attack America and begin a middle eastern war all to get his hands on some good ol'e crude.
Its dumb.
Then They nit pick that we ally with Israel. Even you, bought HIzbollahs PR campaign of faked news shots etc hook line and sinker.
We have a Iranian madman leading the world on a course towards nuclear amrgaeddon, all so he can fulfill what he feels is his role in bringing about the coming of the "12th Imam" yet its Israel and the US many complain of.
Theres a communist regime who emploiys concentration camp, forced labor, killings etc on its own people, just like Hitler did, and they've gone nuclear. Yet again they criticize the US for being tough on North Korea...
It's funny too, the world seems to have your mentality.
Israel overflies some french position and the very next day the US has to veto a draft resolution condemning that..Imagine that, something happens related to israel and it only takes one day to make a draft and have a vote... NK sets off a nuke bomb, and it takes a week and a half of bickering.
3 months ago Iran defied the UN and still contiued to enrich uranium and not a damn thing has been done yet... Thats blatant anti-semitism.
The ceasefire that brokered a end to the Lebanon war called for Hizbollah's disarment.
The world (except the US) criticized Israel when it carried out one last strike after the cease fire was signed.
But the world has yet to pressure Hezbollah to meet their end of the deal. Disarming.
This Anti-US/Anti israel stuff is ridiculous. To any rational eyes it's clear. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Great, bringing Israel into this. Why?? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Great, bringing Israel into this. Why??
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Possibly because he wants people to regard US and Israeli interests as being one and the same. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
There are many well-spoken Canadians on this board who point out legitimate objections to the US. However, making remarks like, 'The Land of the Free, eh?' to an article describing how one town has recently banned flying foreign flags, does not seem to me like a legitimate objection but more like trolling for dirt. |
Very well put (for an American, that is).
Kidding! KIDDING!
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Great, bringing Israel into this. Why??
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Possibly because he wants people to regard US and Israeli interests as being one and the same. |
yes, i know. I just want him to come out and say it. That concept is disturbing, more so than any anti-american rant on this board. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Great, bringing Israel into this. Why??
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Possibly because he wants people to regard US and Israeli interests as being one and the same. |
yes, i know. I just want him to come out and say it. That concept is disturbing, more so than any anti-american rant on this board. |
Not so uncommon an assertion as you might think. We went from Nazi-syle "Jewish conspiracies" that had them running the world in the early- and mid-twentieth-century, to Khomeini's late-twentieth-century modification that had "the Great Satan" actually running the world, manipulating Israel, presumably "the Little Satan," in the Mid-East. Now, in the early twenty-first century Hezbollah's Nasrallah has restated the older version, with New York and other powerful Jewish lobbies corrupting the U.S., and there must be hundreds of thousands of Mel Gibsons, Igotthisguitars, and Meegooks out there nodding their heads "yes" and applauding this. This poster shows that even those who are not anti-Israeli have bought, to one degree or another, into this alleged link.
Either way, the oft-called U.S., Israeli, and the Jewish parasitical warmongers remain irrevocably intertwined in many peoples' minds -- on whichever side of the aisle, by the way. And this does much harm.
Following this, for example, many indeed would regard the implosion of the United States as the liberation of "the world." If anything, then, this poster has shown that for all of Octavius's misguided, snooty, "off-the-cuff" anti-U.S. remarks, he is at least not as pernicious and indeed dangerous as some -- well-meaning or not.
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Great, bringing Israel into this. Why??
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Possibly because he wants people to regard US and Israeli interests as being one and the same. |
yes, i know. I just want him to come out and say it. That concept is disturbing, more so than any anti-american rant on this board. |
1. People often criticize the US for our alliance with Israel so its only fitting to bring Israel into this.
Why? because as I just mnentioned with the UN example, theres alot of anti semitism and since were allies with Israel, they criticize us too.
2. US/Israel, allies, both being threatenened by Islamic terror, both have things to fear should Mahmoud Amadinejad realize his goal of a Atom bomb.
So it seems to me, in this area, Israeli/US interests are the same. Stopping these people.
How is saying US Israeli interests run parallel worse then anti semitism? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| How is saying US Israeli interests run parallel worse then anti semitism? |
it isn't. That isn't what I said. Anti-american rant=anti-semitism?
You seemed to be saying, "Israeli and US interests are the same." I disagree 100%. Even running parallel is a little much. Yes, they have SOME common interests but only a few. Iran is obviously the most important one.
I think to tie them together, it is harmful for both countries' interests. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| How is saying US Israeli interests run parallel worse then anti semitism? |
it isn't. That isn't what I said. Anti-american rant=anti-semitism?
You seemed to be saying, "Israeli and US interests are the same." I disagree 100%. Even running parallel is a little much. Yes, they have SOME common interests but only a few. Iran is obviously the most important one.
I think to tie them together, it is harmful for both countries' interests. |
Well the whole point was that people often criticize the US for our alliance with Israel, including the poster this post is mocking, and how warrantless it is given the way israel is treated by the rest of the world. |
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