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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: plagarism software/sites Reply with quote

anybody got any good info on sites/software that will go through a students paper and check for plagarism.

Got several group reports here and I already found one where the group copied straight off of wikipedia.

If this keeps up it will make my grade curve for the class a lot easier to deal with
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typing a sentence or two into Google has exposed a few plagiarists for me.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
Typing a sentence or two into Google has exposed a few plagiarists for me.


I've done this too for research purposes (not Korea related) and discovered that the net is teeming with rip-off artists. I think that there are about ten guys making up all the original (text) content on the net.
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Novernae



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do the google thing, too. Put quotes around it for more concise results.
I had a 50 year old student in Argentina who couldn't string together a sentence and handed in a final paper that was so perfectly that there was not a single mistake in all eloquent 20 pages, including the use of some pretty advance punctuation. It was so beautifully written that only a few native speakers in the world are capable of such concise, flowing prose. I found the original, printed it out, showed it to him next to his own (handwritten on looseleaf) with the director sitting next to me and he still denied copying it. What did he think, that the person who had written it a few years earlier had traveled in time to Argentina to invisibly look over his shoulder while he was painstakingly looking up every word in his dictionary and checking every bit of grammar only to return to the past, type it out, and publish it on some obscure website? How stupid do people really think their teachers are? We offered to let him rewrite it in school with no penalty, but he refused. He left the school without his diploma (translation) and last I heard he had somehow scored a teaching job. oy! Shocked
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Hyeon Een



Joined: 24 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I receive suspiciously good or weird writing homework I copy a couple of sentences and do a search at naver.com (korean web portal). I invariably find the source.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While plagerism is a horrible thing, the thing that always angers me the most is when it's so bloody obvious that they copied it. I used google too to find them out. It's almost an insult to my intelligence Evil or Very Mad
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Woland



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine, director fo the writing center at a major US university, once caused a certain amount of outrage among her academic colleagues by writing about plagiarism in an in-house newsletter something to this effect:

If an assignment can be downloaded from the internet, maybe it should be.

Food for thought.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woland wrote:
If an assignment can be downloaded from the internet, maybe it should be.

Food for thought.


Actually, that's a great comment.
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So.........how's that different from photocopying or copying findings/research from a book?

Wasn't ok before,it's not ok now,whatever the technology if you can't show how you got there.

Nonetheless,plenty do and with a plethora of sources now-though not necessarily better than those commonly referenced,it's easier if not always better to plagiarise.

At least people ought to paraphrase in order to make it their own a little.

Anyhoo...if someone puts in their own time it shows-style or signature,argument et al.


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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woland wrote:
A friend of mine, director fo the writing center at a major US university, once caused a certain amount of outrage among her academic colleagues by writing about plagiarism in an in-house newsletter something to this effect:

If an assignment can be downloaded from the internet, maybe it should be.

Food for thought.


Not in the case of English language acquisition though. Many times the assignment is less of a priority than the actual English. For almost all other cases I would agree with that comment though.
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Novernae



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
Woland wrote:
If an assignment can be downloaded from the internet, maybe it should be.

Food for thought.


Actually, that's a great comment.


It's a nice thought, but how many absolutely original assignments can a teacher come up with?
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are internet services that will investigate plagiarism, but I'd guess costs would add up pretty quickly given that many Korean students are prone to plagiarism.

To add to the Google advice...You could try calculating lexical density if you think that two students have copied off of each other, but it's not an easy task to do.
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Woland



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Novernae wrote:
the_beaver wrote:
Woland wrote:
If an assignment can be downloaded from the internet, maybe it should be.

Food for thought.


Actually, that's a great comment.


It's a nice thought, but how many absolutely original assignments can a teacher come up with?


First, laogaiguk, thanks for preserving my typo forever Smile I'm not even going to try to edit it away.

Just to be clear, my friend wasn't advocating that students be allowed to palgiarize. Rather, she was making the point that some of her colleagues gave assignments that were so generic that students could find versions of them easily (and this is what outraged them). For a student, if an assignment is this generic, it probably is pointless, so why not download it and spend your time on something more valuable?

It's not so much a matter of creating original assignments, as making stuednts be original in responding to them that makes the difference. Three key words to consider in addressing how students should respond to assignments are personalization, creativity, and synthesis. If we find ways to make students personalize assignments by making them relevant to themselves, by creating some original material, or by synthesizing materials in such a way that they show their stance in the synthesis, we should be able to reduce plagiarism.

I agree it isn't easy, but having these words in my head as I design assignments has helped me do a better job of creating good assignments. It's not a complete cure for plagiarism, either. Students need to learn how to synthesize and how to use evidence to support their position (rather than using their writing to show that they support someone else). And it's harder still in a second language. These two points argue that we also need to avoid one off assignments and work towards doing fewer assignments in more depth, to give students more off a chance to work on these processes and their language. I believe that if we do this, it will produce greater interest on the part of students in their own work, more enjoyable work for us to read, and more learning all around.
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JeJuJitsu



Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.plagiarism.com/screening.htm

works great--but other than buying it, maybe look at a torrent site or two (hehe, pirating plagiarism software, hehe).

But prepare yourself for sadnessot trouble--I have a friend who teachers University here, and uses this software, who graded a research assignment last term, and found only 4 papers out of 300 that were NOT plagiarized. When they say it's common in Korea, that's putting it mildly. It's absolutely standard practice. Also, he was almost fired when he tried to tell/show his data to those in charge.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeJuJitsu wrote:
http://www.plagiarism.com/screening.htm

works great--but other than buying it, maybe look at a torrent site or two (hehe, pirating plagiarism software, hehe).

But prepare yourself for sadnessot trouble--I have a friend who teachers University here, and uses this software, who graded a research assignment last term, and found only 4 papers out of 300 that were NOT plagiarized. When they say it's common in Korea, that's putting it mildly. It's absolutely standard practice. Also, he was almost fired when he tried to tell/show his data to those in charge.


They don't use any quotation marks or list any references--well, at least not the undergrads. So, by those standards only, I'd say that the incidence of plagiarism is pretty high at Korean universities.
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