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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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 Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: Liquid Cooling |
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Alright. A while back, a few of us went over the pro's....and more pro's...and a weeeee little bit of cons regarding video cards. Let's do this...but now for liquid cooling.
Alienware, one of the most popular and widely knowing gaming PC manufacturing companies always use liquid cooling for their systems. Ironically enough, they never (from what I have seen and read) overclock their CPU's or GPU's (unless already OC'ed by the manufacturer).
Pro's when it comes to liquid cooling:
-Around a 10 degree celcius difference in both CPU and ambient temps.
-Not too expensive
-Allows for a high OC.
Con's when it comes to liquid cooling:
-a bit technical for a novice
-requires an oversized case
-may leak and severely damage the PC
-If not done correctly, will have no direct effect on your cooling.
-difficult to install
Thoughts? After carefully reviewing and reading about it, I have determined to not go with liquid cooling. Instead, I will go with a top-of-the-line heat dissipater such as Zalman. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Pro
Forgot to mention its DEAD quiet.
Coolness factor
Con.
Price
Maintanence.
Ps.
You don't need a huge oversized case. I don't any way.  |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
Pro
Forgot to mention its DEAD quiet.
Coolness factor
Con.
Price
Maintanence.
Ps.
You don't need a huge oversized case. I don't any way. |
ah. Yes. I forgot those points.
Hey Wrench, can you take a picture of your liquid cooling system (as it is right now) and post it up for us?
Share you experiences purchasing, installing, peformance difference, etc. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| At the moment its down now cause I moved haven't had time to re-assemble. I can show you the pics of the parts if you want tho. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
| At the moment its down now cause I moved haven't had time to re-assemble. I can show you the pics of the parts if you want tho. |
naw. I would want to see the whole thing running. Thanks though. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
| At the moment its down now cause I moved haven't had time to re-assemble. I can show you the pics of the parts if you want tho. |
Con. 
Overclocking was cool, needed and very beneficial in the days of sub-2.0 GHz CPUs, but the fact is that with CL's current setup, there just isn't any need. Back in the days of Q3, overclocking was a must, as graphics were still in their infancy and the CPU was doing a lot of work. Cranking it up was a major in-game benefit in almost all areas.
Any CPU at 2.6GHz or higher is not being taxed, even by modern gaming. You may see more performance, but there is a point of diminishing returns and the tradeoffs become less desireable. From what I know about CL's computing habits, they aren't involving heavy encoding, video editing, #d composing or those kinds of CPU-heavy tasks.
The costs, time, money and headaches involved with water cooling an alredy powerful system at stock aren't warranted in a dual core system, and we haven't even touched on the potential problems. If it's done right and well, overclocking can be very rewarding, but I am of the opinion that it should be done for a reason.
I have an aging system, and I overclock to compensate for it's shortcomings. If I had CL's setup, there is no way I would be overclocking. I would do it right and I know enough to minimize, if not eliminate, the possible problems. I wouldn't do it simply because it's almost pointless. half a second faster number crunches or 90 FPS as opposed to 86 just doesn't make sense to me. If I were doing this stuff for a living, then yes, perhaps it would make some sense. But in that situation, I would have a quad-core already or the dual core extreme, so again, it would be silly. (Unless you are doing video editing on a system that is less than desireable, but that doesn't make sense to me either. Always get the best tools for your job, IMO.)
Now, if you are looking for silence and cool, a combination not found any other way than through liquid cooling, then yeah, it's very desireable. However, to overclock mildly, one needent have a helicopter cooling system; the stock Intel setup will be more than sufficient for a 15 ~ 20% overclock on any modern CPU. The fan noise from CL's system is probably 70% GPU fan, so if you do go liquid, do the graphics card as well, or it will be near the same. That way you can crank up that GPU as well and see far more benefits in gaming.
GPU overclocking is always a good idea, unless you are already cranking out more frames than your monitor can draw per second, in which case it's silly.
The Intel CPU cooler is far from noisy, and if it is too much for you, slap a nice Zalman on it. The fans are bigger, the heatsink is pure copper and keeps the CPU cooler than the included heatsink. The Zalman solution will give you a larger headroom for an overclock, and cooler speeds at stock.
Meh. It's your system, your money, your time and your obsession. I totally sunderstand where you are at CL, but pretty soon, your system is going to look like some of these Korean cars owned by people who surrendered good taste to accessory obsessing.
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Wrench wrote: |
| At the moment its down now cause I moved haven't had time to re-assemble. I can show you the pics of the parts if you want tho. |
Con.
Overclocking was cool, needed and very beneficial in the days of sub-2.0 GHz CPUs, but the fact is that with CL's current setup, there just isn't any need. Back in the days of Q3, overclocking was a must, as graphics were still in their infancy and the CPU was doing a lot of work. Cranking it up was a major in-game benefit in almost all areas.
Any CPU at 2.6GHz or higher is not being taxed, even by modern gaming. You may see more performance, but there is a point of diminishing returns and the tradeoffs become less desireable. From what I know about CL's computing habits, they aren't involving heavy encoding, video editing, #d composing or those kinds of CPU-heavy tasks.
The costs, time, money and headaches involved with water cooling an alredy powerful system at stock aren't warranted in a dual core system, and we haven't even touched on the potential problems. If it's done right and well, overclocking can be very rewarding, but I am of the opinion that it should be done for a reason.
I have an aging system, and I overclock to compensate for it's shortcomings. If I had CL's setup, there is no way I would be overclocking. I would do it right and I know enough to minimize, if not eliminate, the possible problems. I wouldn't do it simply because it's almost pointless. half a second faster number crunches or 90 FPS as opposed to 86 just doesn't make sense to me. If I were doing this stuff for a living, then yes, perhaps it would make some sense. But in that situation, I would have a quad-core already or the dual core extreme, so again, it would be silly. (Unless you are doing video editing on a system that is less than desireable, but that doesn't make sense to me either. Always get the best tools for your job, IMO.)
Now, if you are looking for silence and cool, a combination not found any other way than through liquid cooling, then yeah, it's very desireable. However, to overclock mildly, one needent have a helicopter cooling system; the stock Intel setup will be more than sufficient for a 15 ~ 20% overclock on any modern CPU. The fan noise from CL's system is probably 70% GPU fan, so if you do go liquid, do the graphics card as well, or it will be near the same. That way you can crank up that GPU as well and see far more benefits in gaming.
GPU overclocking is always a good idea, unless you are already cranking out more frames than your monitor can draw per second, in which case it's silly.
The Intel CPU cooler is far from noisy, and if it is too much for you, slap a nice Zalman on it. The fans are bigger, the heatsink is pure copper and keeps the CPU cooler than the included heatsink. The Zalman solution will give you a larger headroom for an overclock, and cooler speeds at stock.
Meh. It's your system, your money, your time and your obsession. I totally sunderstand where you are at CL, but pretty soon, your system is going to look like some of these Korean cars owned by people who surrendered good taste to accessory obsessing.
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agreed. I have come to terms with the fact that I do NOT need a liquid cooling system. I am going to replace the stock heatsink and fan once my AS5 comes in. I was looking at this bad boy. Any opinions?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2146652&Tab=1&NoMapp=0 |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:10 am Post subject: |
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That's the one. Very similar to mine.
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
That's the one. Very similar to mine.
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ah yes. I saw yours. It runs for around $50 right now. |
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