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freethought
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 Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: why conservatives are BUNK |
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Saw this story:
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2006/11/30/200611300012.asp
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A group of rightist scholars are fanning controversy with their plan to publish a new history textbook said to glorify military leaders who rose to power through coups in 1961 and 1980....
The book calls the May 16 military coup in 1961 by former President Park Chung-hee a "revolutionary upheaval" which opened the way for Korea's current economic development.... |
It's really sad that people buy into crap like this, and will be even sadder if korean kids are forced to learn/read it.
I can see the exam question now:
Park was
A) an oppressive dictator
B) an ok guy
C) a great guy
D) The greatest korean ever! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| well he did set the foundation for korea's economic growth and prosperity. While the textbook is a bit over the top, it's not making things up. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| At least he got what he deserved! |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Rather that than some revisionist crap claiming the Korean War was a civil war and that Kim Il Sung really had the nation's best interests at heart; ergo, ridding it of the filthy miguks. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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As far as it goes, its true, but it'd be more interesting if they included little details like his past communist membership, establishing the KCIA to suppress enemies, his political rival was kidnapped and awaiting drowning until American inquiries saw him released, and that it was the leader of the KCIA who eventually shot him.
Someone tries to shoot Park.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PFwjtMiZQk
Time magazine's assessment.
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| Despite a dictatorial streak, South Korea's long-serving President converted an economic basket case into an industrial powerhouse |
http://www.time.com/time/asia/asia/magazine/1999/990823/park1.html |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of older Koreans believe this. I once had a guy do a speech in one of my classes on this subject. He asked the class if they'd ever gone hungry, if they'd ever eaten bark off a tree, and then said it was because of this guy. He's a hero. The end, sit down, everybody clapped.
I'm inclined to believe the people who lived through it moreso than wacky foreign message board posters. But perhaps I'm just crazy. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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the issue here is the need for the re-writing at all. I've got a BA and MA in history and IR, both focussed on Asia. Park is called many things, but one current that is repeated is his economic policy. Whether they be pro or against Park, the 'credit' that these people seek to give him is ALREADY given to him.
This is Like Bill O's totally fictional and BS "War on Christmas." Or the idea that christians are some how 'persecuted' in America. Total crap. These things get conjured and played up for their political benefit, whether they're true or not, to achieve a political end. And that's what's going on with this textbook re-writing. The Korean herald has already jumped on board...'oh they have 'revised' what the other books say.' No they haven't. Based on what the story says they've glorified a man and glossed over his wrong doings. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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What does this, really, have to do with conservatives? Many of the worlds worst dictators have been leftists. Apparently this guys has ties with communism as well.
But, I guess since you want to point at every bad guy and say "Conservative!"...
That "New Right Front of Love" is just a bunch of crackpots.
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
What does this, really, have to do with conservatives? Many of the worlds worst dictators have been leftists. Apparently this guys has ties with communism as well.
But, I guess since you want to point at every bad guy and say "Conservative!"...
That "New Right Front of Love" is just a bunch of crackpots. |
Your posts shows why conservatives should never be allowed to write, hell, speak anything.
This post has nothing to do with OTHER dictators.... OOOOH Stalin was BAD, MAO was BAD..
Get with it, man. This is a post about one man and an unnecessary effort to 're-write' history textbooks so that certain interpretations and values are taught.
If you want to talk about the bad leftist dictators, go ahead, put a post up and talk about them, but if you're going to post on this one at least discuss the topic at hand.
Your post is why so many bulletin boards suck. Yes the group is crazy, but they may succeed in putting their 'crackpot' views into the school system. For that reason alone this should be an issue. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| the issue here is the need for the re-writing at all. |
Should it not be in the high school text books that Kim Il-Sung discussed the invasion beforehand with Mao and Stalin and had their 'support'?
High school kids are sophisticated enough to have the whole controversy laid out in front of them and let them debate all the issues. It seems to me the Korean War and the division of the country presents an ideal case to center a whole year's study on modern political philosophy and industrialization policies.
Koreans criticize their own education system for the lack creativity and critical thinking. I'd say this issue is perfect for them to add a major component of critical thinking to the system. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
Your post is why so many bulletin boards suck. Yes the group is crazy, but they may succeed in putting their 'crackpot' views into the school system. For that reason alone this should be an issue. |
and your "temper tantrum" is another reason many suck.
so freethought, what in the text do you object to? I'm missing what your issue is with it? The fact it is described as a "revolutionary upheavel"? |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
| Pligganease wrote: |
What does this, really, have to do with conservatives? Many of the worlds worst dictators have been leftists. Apparently this guys has ties with communism as well.
But, I guess since you want to point at every bad guy and say "Conservative!"...
That "New Right Front of Love" is just a bunch of crackpots. |
Your posts shows why conservatives should never be allowed to write, hell, speak anything.
This post has nothing to do with OTHER dictators.... OOOOH Stalin was BAD, MAO was BAD..
Get with it, man. This is a post about one man and an unnecessary effort to 're-write' history textbooks so that certain interpretations and values are taught.
If you want to talk about the bad leftist dictators, go ahead, put a post up and talk about them, but if you're going to post on this one at least discuss the topic at hand.
Your post is why so many bulletin boards suck. Yes the group is crazy, but they may succeed in putting their 'crackpot' views into the school system. For that reason alone this should be an issue. |
Idiot.
I am not a conservative. I might not be as falling of the edge of the planet liberal as many on this board are, but I am not conservative.
Then again, you dodge the question. What does re-writing text books have to do with being conservative? |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
What does this, really, have to do with conservatives? Many of the worlds worst dictators have been leftists. Apparently this guys has ties with communism as well.
But, I guess since you want to point at every bad guy and say "Conservative!"...
That "New Right Front of Love" is just a bunch of crackpots. |
Yeah relativism works for everbody...
If you read the article it's pretty obvious what this has to do with conservatives. It's an obviously conservative group attempting to portray historical events in a rightist sypmathetic light. It's the group who are identifying Park Jung Hee as a conservative by making him their hero.
Read first, reactionary political comments second. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| Pligganease wrote: |
What does this, really, have to do with conservatives? Many of the worlds worst dictators have been leftists. Apparently this guys has ties with communism as well.
But, I guess since you want to point at every bad guy and say "Conservative!"...
That "New Right Front of Love" is just a bunch of crackpots. |
Yeah relativism works for everbody...
If you read the article it's pretty obvious what this has to do with conservatives. It's an obviously conservative group attempting to portray historical events in a rightist sypmathetic light. It's the group who are identifying Park Jung Hee as a conservative by making him their hero.
Read first, reactionary political comments second. |
Don't mis-interpret... The thread title is "Why Conservatives are bunk" when the real issue is the re-writing of textbooks. What does that have to do with being conservative. And, if that is the earmark of being conservative, do we need to go back throughout time and look at all of the times leftists have done the same thing? |
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