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thepeel
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 Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: Natives stir 'nation' debate |
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MONTREAL - As the federal Liberal party officially buried a planned debate yesterday on recognizing Quebec as a nation, its Aboriginal Peoples' Commission adopted a resolution calling for constitutional recognition of aboriginal nationhood.
Sparked by anger that aboriginals were ignored in the discussion over the recognition of Quebec, the emergency resolution says Canada's First Peoples should be granted status as a third order of government within Canada.
It calls on the Liberal party, in partnership with Canada's aboriginals, to "initiate, develop and implement the necessary policy, legislative and constitutional change required to fully implement this recognition of Nationhood and implementation of self-government by First Peoples government."
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I see no reason why, if we are going to say that those people who currently live within the geographic area of Quebec form a nation, that those who constituted a nation before the Europeans came cannot be afforded the same respect.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=1f99a938-c984-4be1-bf95-100997bf3438 |
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freethought
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Here Here.
If Quebecers want a nation of their own I think every small town, every aboriginal group, every city, can likewise seperate from Quebec. Montreal may choose to become a city state. Aboriginals can claim maybe 40% of the provinces territory. This idea of nations within a nation is tripe and more than the proverbial can of worms.
National divisons in the case of the Czechs and Slovaks can make sense, but national division with regards to Canada means destroying the country. It's not so much of a slippery slope as getting the ball rolling. Canadian legal precedent makes it clear that seperation is a legitimate legal avenue.
When I get back to canada and if this happens I fullly plan to declare the three islands I own an independent nation. And by golly we will be nuclear. |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Here Here.
If Quebecers want a nation of their own I think every small town, every aboriginal group, every city, can likewise seperate from Quebec. Montreal may choose to become a city state. Aboriginals can claim maybe 40% of the provinces territory. This idea of nations within a nation is tripe and more than the proverbial can of worms.
National divisons in the case of the Czechs and Slovaks can make sense, but national division with regards to Canada means destroying the country. It's not so much of a slippery slope as getting the ball rolling. Canadian legal precedent makes it clear that seperation is a legitimate legal avenue.
When I get back to canada and if this happens I fullly plan to declare the three islands I own an independent nation. And by golly we will be nuclear. |
NONONONONO
It will not cause a slippory slope. Historically, we recognize Canada as being made up of 3 nations (only 2 we give a shit about). Both Canadian law, as well as international law, is pretty clear on what it takes to constitute a nation, and thus deserving of an independent state. |
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Wrench
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:48 am Post subject: |
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They god damn LOST. They got their a$s kicked by the WHITE devil get use. Winners determine all rules of future games not the loosers. I cam from Alberta where THE WORST OF THE WORST are Natives.
I am Racist all I can say about Natives in Alberta, Lazy, Drunk, Welfare, Junkies with no future and No hope until the government takes their free ride away and maybe then when they have to work for the food they will appreciate it.
SCUMBAGS. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Wow. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| They god damn LOST. They got their a$s kicked by the WHITE devil get use. |
Would you please repeat that, substituting "Prussia, Austria and Russia" in the late 1700's? |
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Moldy Rutabaga
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:33 am Post subject: |
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The government motion recognized Quebec as a distinct nation. The motion carried with it no guarantee or suggestion of political rights or authorities.
So why not? Recognize the natives as a nation. Recognize each native band as a nation. Recognize New Brunswick. Recognize Vancouver. Recognize Canadian Tire. Recognize the boy scouts. Recognize your aunt Ethel. Recognize your hamsters, Millie & Tillie. They are all symbolic gestures which mean nothing. Give everybody a participation pin showing they're special.
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Wrench
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: |
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They god damn LOST. They got their a$s kicked by the WHITE devil get use to it. Winners determine all rules of future games not the loosers. I cam from Alberta where THE WORST OF THE WORST are Natives.
I am Racist all I can say about Natives in Alberta, Lazy, Drunk, Welfare, Junkies with no future and No hope until the government takes their free ride away and maybe then when they have to work for the food they will appreciate it.
SCUMBAGS. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Hmmmm...I think you screwed up the quote function. There was no response. |
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demaratus
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
They god damn LOST. They got their a$s kicked by the WHITE devil get use. Winners determine all rules of future games not the loosers. I cam from Alberta where THE WORST OF THE WORST are Natives.
I am Racist all I can say about Natives in Alberta, Lazy, Drunk, Welfare, Junkies with no future and No hope until the government takes their free ride away and maybe then when they have to work for the food they will appreciate it.
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Wow, that was pretty inflamatory. And actually they didn't lose at all. We are not the U.S.A, The aboriginals lost wars there. In Canada our government signed treaties with the first nations. We should honor them.
Aside from the racist guy, I knew the nationhood issue would raise even bigger questions regrading the status of first nations who have been seeking similar status for some time now. |
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Wrench
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| demaratus wrote: |
| Wrench wrote: |
They god damn LOST. They got their a$s kicked by the WHITE devil get use. Winners determine all rules of future games not the loosers. I cam from Alberta where THE WORST OF THE WORST are Natives.
I am Racist all I can say about Natives in Alberta, Lazy, Drunk, Welfare, Junkies with no future and No hope until the government takes their free ride away and maybe then when they have to work for the food they will appreciate it.
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Wow, that was pretty inflamatory. And actually they didn't lose at all. We are not the U.S.A, The aboriginals lost wars there. In Canada our government signed treaties with the first nations. We should honor them.
Aside from the racist guy, I knew the nationhood issue would raise even bigger questions regrading the status of first nations who have been seeking similar status for some time now. |
AHAHAH shows how much you know
The Americans did not comit genocide on an entire Nation. Canada did, Beothuk Natives of Newfoundland.
Americans were clear about their intentions against the natives, Canada was very underhanded and sly with dealing with them. Infact Canada was so efficient at screwing the Natives over that Nazi Germans studied the Residential School system of the 19th(late), early 20th centrury
I lived with natives for over 5 years, my sister is half native. My harsh and I guess racist comments are well founded. 90% to 95% of natives in Alberta are complete waste of resources. |
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demaratus
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old
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I never mentioned genocide at all. You mentioned "Winners determine all rules of future games not the loosers" I simply clarified that unlike America, Canada choose not to fight but to negotiate.
As for the Americans being clear with their intentions comment that is totally false. Your trying to tell me that from the beginning of Native newcomer relations the intent to lie, cheat, steal and kill them off from coast to caost was clear? Yes in 1830 there was the indian removal act, but it promised old land for new land west of the mississippi river. These treaties were only honored for a short time and Native peoples were subsequently steamrolled over from then on for over 100 years.
Canada underhanded and sly dealing with the first nations? From the start maybe, currently sure the government still refuses, in many ways to not live up to treaty obligations and to look for a quick fix to aboriginal issues.
I don't understand how the point linking the Nazi's and Residential schools strengthens your argument at all.
I don't see how having lived with Natives for 5 years or having a half native siser matters at all. My ex girlfriend is 100% native does that matter at all? Nope. I have Russian heritage does this mean that I am somehow more qualified to make racist statements about Ukrainians (damm perogy eaters!!!) or Poles? Nope.
Your comments are well founded, in ignorance and racism. |
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Wrench
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I never mentioned genocide at all. You mentioned "Winners determine all rules of future games not the loosers" I simply clarified that unlike America, Canada choose not to fight but to negotiate.
As for the Americans being clear with their intentions comment that is totally false. Your trying to tell me that from the beginning of Native newcomer relations the intent to lie, cheat, steal and kill them off from coast to caost was clear? Yes in 1830 there was the indian removal act, but it promised old land for new land west of the mississippi river. These treaties were only honored for a short time and Native peoples were subsequently steamrolled over from then on for over 100 years.
Canada underhanded and sly dealing with the first nations? From the start maybe, currently sure the government still refuses, in many ways to not live up to treaty obligations and to look for a quick fix to aboriginal issues.
I don't understand how the point linking the Nazi's and Residential schools strengthens your argument at all.
I don't see how having lived with Natives for 5 years or having a half native siser matters at all. My ex girlfriend is 100% native does that matter at all? Nope. I have Russian heritage does this mean that I am somehow more qualified to make racist statements about Ukrainians (damm perogy eaters!!!) or Poles? Nope.
Your comments are well founded, in ignorance and racism. |
Your a Rusky! even worse then a native.
Sorry my heritage has ingrained a natural Hatred for all things Russian. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently, your heritage has ingrained a natural hatred, period.
Ken:> |
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Wrench
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently, your heritage has ingrained a natural hatred, period.
Ken:> |
I was Born with I hate russians and I was made into hating natives.
Other wise I'm a great guy  |
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