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Francis-Pax
Joined: 20 Nov 2005
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 Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: Korean University Students: No Respect for Foreign Teachers |
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As a teacher to Korean university students I think:
~Students are not very motivated.
~They don't really respect foreign teachers.
~They hardly ever do their work, in class or at home.
Bottom line: it's a waste of time 80% of the time!
What do you think? |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Korean University Students: No Respect for Foreign Teac |
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| Francis-Pax wrote: |
| What do you think? |
I think your experience and mine are completely different. |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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I know some university instructors (foreigners) who date their students.
I know some other instructors who drink with their students and make their students pay the bill! |
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adventureman
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Korean University Students: No Respect for Foreign Teac |
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| Francis-Pax wrote: |
As a teacher to Korean university students I think:
~Students are not very motivated.
~They don't really respect foreign teachers.
~They hardly ever do their work, in class or at home.
Bottom line: it's a waste of time 80% of the time!
What do you think? |
Perhaps this could at least partially be a reflection of your own skills as teacher?
Just a thought. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Korean University Students: No Respect for Foreign Teac |
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| Francis-Pax wrote: |
As a teacher to Korean university students I think:
~Students are not very motivated.
~They don't really respect foreign teachers.
~They hardly ever do their work, in class or at home.
Bottom line: it's a waste of time 80% of the time!
What do you think? |
I think you could analyze things a bit more. What social class are they coming from? What are they studying? Why are they studying that? What is their future like? How is the program set up (testing, is it worth credit)? And even look at your teaching too (no easy way to say that, but not trying to point the finger at you  ).
Many students are not very motivated. They tend to fail more often back home than here, but the ratio probably isn't that far off. People in most universities also don't do their work a lot or go to class all the time.
The only thing is the respect of foriegn professors. Being in computer science, more than half my profs were foreign (mostly Chinese or East Indian), and I respected them even if I couldn't understand a word they said. I would probably still have respected them if they only had BAs. But if they started sleeping aroudn with students or other things like that, I would have lost respect for them. I have found from the Koreans I have met, many don't give respect to people like we do. Confucianism... I would never have immediately disrespected a foreign prof at my uni without good cause though. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a high school teacher but I've known a lot of Korean uni students who've had FTs and kept in touch with some of my former HS students who do, and here's what I think is the bottom line:
It all depends on what type of university and uni programme you are teaching in, much like with high school. If you're teaching 3rd and 4th year English majors it's probably a lot different from 1st-year non-English majors who have to take a year of English if they like it or not. When you went to uni did you have to take a required science unit if you were an arts major? If so, what was your attitude in that class. I didn't have to, but if I did, I know my attitude would be that I'd want to pass doing as little work as possible.
Being handsome is also a big advantage. One of my former students told me she really likes her FT because while he's 'only a little' interesting he's 'very, very handsome'. If any of the Dave's regulars is Mark-teachuh from Canada at Kyungju University you can rest assured that Migyeong / Natalie, probably the tallest girl in your class, thinks the world of you, even if you're a bit boring at times. |
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marcus
Joined: 12 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Most foreign teachers I meet are unmotivated, never do their work at school (and definitely not at home) and have little respect for foreign teachers. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I'm a high school teacher but I've known a lot of Korean uni students who've had FTs and kept in touch with some of my former HS students who do, and here's what I think is the bottom line:
It all depends on what type of university and uni programme you are teaching in, much like with high school. If you're teaching 3rd and 4th year English majors it's probably a lot different from 1st-year non-English majors who have to take a year of English if they like it or not. When you went to uni did you have to take a required science unit if you were an arts major? If so, what was your attitude in that class. I didn't have to, but if I did, I know my attitude would be that I'd want to pass doing as little work as possible.
Being handsome is also a big advantage. One of my former students told me she really likes her FT because while he's 'only a little' interesting he's 'very, very handsome'. If any of the Dave's regulars is Mark-teachuh from Canada at Kyungju University you can rest assured that Migyeong / Natalie, probably the tallest girl in your class, thinks the world of you, even if you're a bit boring at times. |
All good, but to add another tip--teach them something--NOT about English. Find out what the kids are studying during your pre-class chat with the kids, and then give them a "Hmmm..." factoid or two regarding this or that subject...IF THE KIDS CONSIDER YOU SMART YOU WILL GAIN LOTS OF RESPECT POINTS. Somehow, being the bizarro world we are in, even high school kids (without pocket-protectors and dandruff) think being smart is "cool."
If they think you're a boozehound, and possible drug user (i.e., Canadian  ), you'll often have to prove them otherwise. |
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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My students come to the teachers room to ask me how to swear in Italian.Those students I like.Easy to engage.One female student dresses as a boy.A lot of piercings.
The rest...who knows.
In Bundang at least,most students will spend their evenings at hagwons and with tutors.Actual time spent at school has an equal or lesser meaning.
Korean kids are pretty dull generally though.it's just a tame/lame culture on the face of it.Being interesting is not interesting.The douche content is high. |
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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If they think you're a boozehound, and possible drug user (i.e., Canadian ), you'll often have to prove them otherwise. |
I am so offended. How could you say Canadians are boozehounds and drug users??? Everyone knows those people come from the USA. |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Korean University Students: No Respect for Foreign Teac |
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| Francis-Pax wrote: |
As a teacher to Korean university students I think:
~Students are not very motivated.
~They don't really respect foreign teachers.
~They hardly ever do their work, in class or at home.
Bottom line: it's a waste of time 80% of the time!
What do you think? |
I agree to an extent, but it depends where you are.
Korea must have the highest tertiary education attainment level in the world. If you're like me and at a low end private University, then you probably waste a lot of your day. There is a lot of deadwood out there, especially outside Seoul. I think a majority of my students understand that they don't and probably won't need English, so they don't try.
In my opinion, the University system would be much better off if administrations abolished mandatory English classes.
Still, I have a few bright students that make it worth coming to wrok. |
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Francis-Pax
Joined: 20 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| This post is just a rant after a bad incident. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:38 am Post subject: Re: Korean University Students: No Respect for Foreign Teac |
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| Francis-Pax wrote: |
As a teacher to Korean university students I think:
~Students are not very motivated.
~They don't really respect foreign teachers.
~They hardly ever do their work, in class or at home.
Bottom line: it's a waste of time 80% of the time!
What do you think? |
I think it depends, but for the most part your assessment is incorrect. |
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Francis-Pax
Joined: 20 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: |
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I do think that a lot of university students are unmotivated. There are 30 foreign teachers at my university, and we seem to have a general consensus that this is the case. Although, this does not need to apply to all universities.
Overall, I am very disappointed at the quality of university students in Korea. From my experience, at my university, we are more entertainers than educators.
All my education in TESOL, MA included, are just going to waste in the dump I am in. (Note: I am at a SKY university.) enough said. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: |
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As the beaver said...my experience as a university teacher is completely different.
Also...sorry to say this but the teacher plays a large part in how the classes go and in how much motivation the students show. |
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