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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:53 am Post subject: YOU CAN LEARN A LOT FROM A HARLEM SUBWAY RIDER |
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...not only learn a lot about the American spirit of volunteerism and self-sacrifice, but also the human spirit.
Wesley Autrey gets my vote for Man of the Month. If you haven't heard the story, go to: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/subway_rescue
What impressed me even more than his selfless rescue is his reaction: humble and matter-of-fact. Moreover, he kissed the head of the father of the young man whose life he saved when the father began to break down in gratitude.
The only sour note was Trump making a big media scene to show his generosity rather than donating to the Harlem man anonymously.
Wish East Asians displayed more selfless behavior to strangers. Seems like it's only family and cronies that matter much here.
As for human spirit, I don't think we celebrate these incidents because they're so rare or so infrequently brought to our attention but because the situation doesn't present itself more often.
I refuse to be cynical about it. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:38 am Post subject: |
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=7j9z9nJb4OI
I went to the news article and the pictures.
His daughters is beautiful.....good on the school for giving scholarships; here's hoping that's the path they take.
Nice on trump to give money, but dang it, wish they wouldn't have disclosed the amount; woulda looked a bit less trite.
I think it's kinda tactless stevemg to suggest (implicitly or explicitly) that these actions are only a part of the american conscious because of some particular trait.
Simple fact is that there are good people in every country who will help others... even if it means possible death. |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: |
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khyber wrote: |
I think it's kinda tactless stevemg to suggest (implicitly or explicitly) that these actions are only a part of the american conscious because of some particular trait.
Simple fact is that there are good people in every country who will help others... even if it means possible death. |
You could take it the other way, and ask why are American's so gobsmacked when someone acts selflessly that they feel compelled to celebrate it
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SarcasmKills

Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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happeningthang wrote: |
You could take it the other way, and ask why are American's so gobsmacked when someone acts selflessly that they feel compelled to celebrate it |
My thoughts exactly.. these kinds of articles have always made me cringe a bit...
... it's common human decency.. if anything those schmucks who let easily preventable tragedies happen by their non-action should be the ones who have their faces and names published. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: |
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He put his own life at risk for a complete stranger. Does that constitute "common human decency?" I think not.
I knew I could count on some non-American cynics to pick apart my original post.
The fact of the matter is that the spirit of helping your neighbor still thrives in America and the same cannot be said of most nations I've lived in or visited at length (now over 40 and counting).
There was a total of 7 seconds for him to react and he was the closest in proximity to the young man. So how does that make the others schmucks?
I never implied that this trait is peculiar to American culture, but it does flourish in the U.S. despite what some of you might wish to believe to the contrary.
Is there anything inherently wrong with celebrating this man's selfless act? |
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SarcasmKills

Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
I knew I could count on some non-American cynics to pick apart my original post.
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Nice of you to randomly throw in this non-related issue into the mix... been holding that one in for a while? Most of my friends here constantly try to get me going by saying that I'm very American.. does that help my claim more legitimate to you?
Our point is that it's sad that people are so surprised and hoo-hawing over it... it shouldn't be such a big story... it's a nice story, but the fact that it is being made into a big deal shows that similar acts of kindness don't happen enough these days... |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: |
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You might do well Mr. Sarcasm to go back and read my original post more carefully as I address your concern there. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
I knew I could count on some non-American cynics to pick apart my original post.
The fact of the matter is that the spirit of helping your neighbor still thrives in America and the same cannot be said of most nations I've lived in or visited at length (now over 40 and counting).
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you aren't sundbuman are you? I'm starting to think you are. Interesting how he dissapeared right around when you started popping up more frequently.
edit: nevermind, I see sundbuman made a post recently.
Your america ra ra ra is a little tiresome.
No, I'm not Canadian. yes, I am American. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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This is a human interest current events story that happens to involve an American but has little or nothing to say -- positively or negatively -- about any culture or nationalist group anywhere, including America and Americans in general. I especially cannot see any connection at all between this story and South Koreans and/or East Asians.
This notwithstanding, I will mention that anytime any American does anything good, some here on this board squirm so uncomfortably...they cannot stand to acknolwedge it: here is an American who is not fat or stupid and who did something selfless and good...Deal with it.
Also, I grow frustrated with what I call the "fubolista" mentality on this forum -- if my team scores a goal or wins, then this means that me and every other fan of my team are superior to all of you who support the other team. And if my team scores a goal or wins, the other teams and their fans automatically do all they can to minimize or even dismiss it. "So what? Does not mean a thing."
This man did something uncommon. I admire him for it. I hope that I might have done the same thing had I been in his shoes -- as probably everyone else here hopes as well. Chances are, we will never find out, though.
That is all that there is to this...Except for the side note that Trump will always be Trump. Truth is, I like him, too. That he can find a way to get his name mentioned so often is certainly a tribute to the man's talent.
And no matter how you feel about "the Donald," you cannot claim not to have been entertained by him -- and his immeasurable ego, too. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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well stated Gopher. Said it much better than I did. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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For someone who claims to hold a PhD, stevemcgarret says some pretty dumb things. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
Also, I grow frustrated with what I call the "fubolista" mentality on this forum -- if my team scores a goal or wins, then this means that me and every other fan of my team are superior to all of you who support the other team. And if my team scores a goal or wins, the other teams and their fans automatically do all they can to minimize or even dismiss it. "So what? Does not mean a thing."
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Nicely put.
(reminds me why I'm not a fan) |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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gang ah jee:
Remove that patch and you might see the light. It's easy to make ad hominem attacks; try engaging in real debate sometime.
SarcasmKills:
Really? It would seem that Gopher's second paragraph challenges your sideswipe. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
gang ah jee:
Remove that patch and you might see the light. It's easy to make ad hominem attacks; try engaging in real debate sometime. |
Hey, you're the one who's all 'wow, aren't Americans kind and heroic, not like them orientals'. However, I will amend it to 'stevemcgarrett says some pretty dumb things sometimes', because I partially agree with what you said about Pennycook in that other thread of yours.
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