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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: Foreigners Who Refuse to Learn Korean |
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Foreigners who refuse to learn Korean, generally do not have fun in Korea.
True or false? your thoughts. |
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The Hierophant
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| They may certainly have fun, but they are much less likely to have fun with local Koreans. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The Hierophant wrote: |
| They may certainly have fun, but they are much less likely to have fun with local Koreans. |
yes. so if they don't learn korean, then why complain about koreans?
i mean, imagine if a korean went to england, refused to learn english, and made money teaching korean, and talked and complained about english people like there is no tomorrow?
doesn't that just sound absurd? i think some people in dave's esl live in a parallel universe, or were just too spoiled as children or have used too many things as a crutch in their lives. |
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Jarome_Turner
Joined: 10 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
| The Hierophant wrote: |
| They may certainly have fun, but they are much less likely to have fun with local Koreans. |
yes. so if they don't learn korean, then why complain about koreans?
i mean, imagine if a korean went to england, refused to learn english, and made money teaching korean, and talked and complained about english people like there is no tomorrow?
doesn't that just sound absurd? i think some people in dave's esl live in a parallel universe, or were just too spoiled as children or have used too many things as a crutch in their lives. |
Yes it does sound absurd.... why the hell would people in England want to learn Korean?? |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Jarome_Turner wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
| The Hierophant wrote: |
| They may certainly have fun, but they are much less likely to have fun with local Koreans. |
yes. so if they don't learn korean, then why complain about koreans?
i mean, imagine if a korean went to england, refused to learn english, and made money teaching korean, and talked and complained about english people like there is no tomorrow?
doesn't that just sound absurd? i think some people in dave's esl live in a parallel universe, or were just too spoiled as children or have used too many things as a crutch in their lives. |
Yes it does sound absurd.... why the hell would people in England want to learn Korean?? |
yeah they probably wouldn't want to learn korean.
in case your iq is not capable of registering the parallel in foreigner's complaining, then i suggest you use sarcasm to cover it up.  |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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The problem is lack of motivation.
Koreans generally study English for career goals. More shots at getting a higher paying job = great motivation to study English.
Foreigners study Korean as a hobby.
Some foreign men might study it to meet Korean women.
But few would see learning Korean as important to their future (unless they want to marry a Korean or settle down in Korea). Most foreigners see Korea as a 1 - 2 year stay.
That said, I think it would help our relations if foreigners learned some basic Korean. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't there a difference between can't and won't? Korean is a HELLISHLY complex language for a rather usless language. Learn Mandarin, talk to oh 500,000,000 people. Learn Japanese and talk to 120,000,000 people, and one of america's biggest business partners. Learn Korean and you can talk to what? 40,000,000 people tops? |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| Isn't there a difference between can't and won't? Korean is a HELLISHLY complex language for a rather usless language. Learn Mandarin, talk to oh 500,000,000 people. Learn Japanese and talk to 120,000,000 people, and one of america's biggest business partners. Learn Korean and you can talk to what? 40,000,000 people tops? |
so why not go to china or japan to teach english, and learn a more global language as well??? (altho most chinese want to learn korean, over english  )
see? it doesn't make sense any way u cut it, if you live and stay in korea and refuse to learn korean at all, you can't complain because you CHOOSE to live disharmoniously with your environment. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
| The Hierophant wrote: |
| They may certainly have fun, but they are much less likely to have fun with local Koreans. |
yes. so if they don't learn korean, then why complain about koreans?
i mean, imagine if a korean went to england, refused to learn english, and made money teaching korean, and talked and complained about english people like there is no tomorrow?
doesn't that just sound absurd? i think some people in dave's esl live in a parallel universe, or were just too spoiled as children or have used too many things as a crutch in their lives. |
Go read the recent article posted here about Koreans living in the Philippines and how they have imported everything Korean down there and generally do not integrate. Now you have your parallel.
Oh yeah, and how many first generation Korean immigrants to the west don't speak English? Heaps. Go back to getting hysterical about the nomenclature of the Sea of Japan or the ownership of the Liancourt rocks, you pathetic little VANKer.
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| Isn't there a difference between can't and won't? Korean is a HELLISHLY complex language for a rather usless language. Learn Mandarin, talk to oh 500,000,000 people. Learn Japanese and talk to 120,000,000 people, and one of america's biggest business partners. Learn Korean and you can talk to what? 40,000,000 people tops? |
so why not go to china or japan to teach english, and learn a more global language as well??? (altho most chinese want to learn korean, over english )
see? it doesn't make sense any way u cut it, if you live and stay in korea and refuse to learn korean at all, you can't complain because you CHOOSE to live disharmoniously with your environment. |
Most foreigners are here for a year or two dude.
Other than some basic survival Korean, you can't learn to speak that much in such a short time.
Given this fact, some foreigners do not think the cost (time) VS benefit (speaking broken Korean to Koreans) is worth it. |
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just another day
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
| The Hierophant wrote: |
| They may certainly have fun, but they are much less likely to have fun with local Koreans. |
yes. so if they don't learn korean, then why complain about koreans?
i mean, imagine if a korean went to england, refused to learn english, and made money teaching korean, and talked and complained about english people like there is no tomorrow?
doesn't that just sound absurd? i think some people in dave's esl live in a parallel universe, or were just too spoiled as children or have used too many things as a crutch in their lives. |
Go read the recent article posted here about Koreans living in the Philippines and how they have imported everything Korean down there and generally do not integrate. Now you have your parallel. |
the retirement community?
philippines set up a retirement community for korean elderly to retire and invest capital (similiar to a special economic zone) and you want to parallel that with english teachers who refuse to learn korean?
if there was a special economic zone for retired florida elderly to live in korea, bc korea needed capital, that would be the equivalent.
finding excuses is easier for the mentally lazy. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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"refuses" to learn Korean? Hmmm....
Her: "Welcome Korea, here you MUST learn Korean.
Him: "Wha? Whadda mean I 'must' learn Korean?"
Her: "In Korea, it is law. You must learn Korean."
Him: "Not in my contract, now take a hike!"
Her: "Do you refuse?
Him: "Hell ya I refuse!" (in his ROME Caesar stance, 'He refuses to meet me!')
Her: (Taekwondo kick to the throat and him's head rolls across the floor...)
Now, THAT was fun... |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| Isn't there a difference between can't and won't? Korean is a HELLISHLY complex language for a rather usless language. Learn Mandarin, talk to oh 500,000,000 people. Learn Japanese and talk to 120,000,000 people, and one of america's biggest business partners. Learn Korean and you can talk to what? 40,000,000 people tops? |
so why not go to china or japan to teach english, and learn a more global language as well??? (altho most chinese want to learn korean, over english )
see? it doesn't make sense any way u cut it, if you live and stay in korea and refuse to learn korean at all, you can't complain because you CHOOSE to live disharmoniously with your environment. |
Most foreigners are here for a year or two dude.
Other than some basic survival Korean, you can't learn to speak that much in such a short time.
Given this fact, some foreigners do not think the cost (time) VS benefit (speaking broken Korean to Koreans) is worth it. |
yeah, but there is a difference between trying, and not trying. that alone distinguishes those disgrunted angry waeguks in dave's ESL from normal posters. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
| jaganath69 wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
| The Hierophant wrote: |
| They may certainly have fun, but they are much less likely to have fun with local Koreans. |
yes. so if they don't learn korean, then why complain about koreans?
i mean, imagine if a korean went to england, refused to learn english, and made money teaching korean, and talked and complained about english people like there is no tomorrow?
doesn't that just sound absurd? i think some people in dave's esl live in a parallel universe, or were just too spoiled as children or have used too many things as a crutch in their lives. |
Go read the recent article posted here about Koreans living in the Philippines and how they have imported everything Korean down there and generally do not integrate. Now you have your parallel. |
the retirement community?
philippines set up a retirement community for korean elderly to retire and invest capital (similiar to a special economic zone) and you want to parallel that with english teachers who refuse to learn korean?
if there was a special economic zone for retired florida elderly to live in korea, bc korea needed capital, that would be the equivalent.
finding excuses is easier for the mentally lazy. |
Nope. The article mentions the fact that there are loads of Koreans down there running illegal businesses with exclusively Hangeul signage. I would hardly think those bent on seeing out their golden years down there would be going back to work. |
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Kimchi Cha Cha
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| Isn't there a difference between can't and won't? Korean is a HELLISHLY complex language for a rather usless language. Learn Mandarin, talk to oh 500,000,000 people. Learn Japanese and talk to 120,000,000 people, and one of america's biggest business partners. Learn Korean and you can talk to what? 40,000,000 people tops? |
so why not go to china or japan to teach english, and learn a more global language as well??? (altho most chinese want to learn korean, over english )
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If that was the case that'd be 400 million Chinese learning Korean right now instead of English, instead of the one million tops who are learning Korean.
I admit I can understand why some people don't make an effort to learn the language but I don't fully agree with it. Learning a language opens up a whole new way of seeing things and provides insight into the culture and attitudes of people, which you don't often get otherwise.
I do get a bit annoyed with friends who gripe about Koreans' English ability when they've barely bothered to learn basic Korean phrases and are always asking me for help with problems, which they could handle themselves if they took the time to learn at least a little Korean.
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