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thepeel
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 Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: Test time! |
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So, after pages and pages of debating, we finally get to see if the two cultures will behave the same. Will there be riots in the streets? Signs that say "behead those who insult Christianity!!"? Or, will it blow over, in a grand demonstration of cultural maturity?
Lets find out.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,20879483,00.html
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TWO Muslim students have been expelled from an Islamic school in Melbourne for urinating and spitting on a Bible and setting it on fire.
The explosive incident has forced the East Preston Islamic College to call in a senior imam to tell its 650 Muslim students that the Bible and Christianity must be respected.
Anxious teachers at the school have also petitioned principal Shaheem Doutie, expressing "grave concern" about an "inculcation of hatred and radical attitudes towards non-Muslims" at the school, including towards non-Muslim teachers.
The Bible desecration took place last week at a school camp held near Bacchus Marsh, about 50km west of Melbourne, attended by 33 teenage Muslim boys ranging in age from Year7 to Year 10. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Test time! |
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So, after pages and pages of debating, we finally get to see if the two cultures will behave the same. Will there be riots in the streets? Signs that say "behead those who insult Christianity!!"? Or, will it blow over, in a grand demonstration of cultural maturity?
Lets find out.
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Let's put some perspective on it:
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"The main perpetrator (a Year 7 student) urinated on the Holy Bible, tore some pages from the Holy Book and burnt them then finally spat on the Holy Book," the report says.
The second boy, from Year 9, "tore pages from the Holy Book and burnt them", while a third student, from Year 7, "tore pages from the Holy Bible and then he rolled it up like a cigarette and pretended to smoke it". |
Why should there be rioting in the streets? The Islamic College took the situation very seriously, and took action against the young boys. Let's not forget they are stupid young school kids, not yet old enough to have (legal) sex or drive a car. The significance of their actions is hardly that of the Pope's. Who in their right mind is going to start a riot in response to the silly antics of a few prepubescent kids. In fact, the poor buggers probably got treated much harsher than one would have expected pre 911, as the school clearly wished to allay fears that they condoned the behaviour. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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So, bigbird, if the same situation happened at a Catholic school in Denmark (if such a thing exists) your saying that the seething masses wouldn't be out? Just imagine, boys burn and pee on a koran! The signs practically write themselves! The punishment for insulting islam is, in the eyes of the seething masses, death. I hardly think that expulsion would do it.
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Why should there be rioting in the streets? |
There shouldn't. That is exactly my point. We are mature enough to say what you said. These were just kids, or that even if they were adults and not punished, even then the riots wouldn't be justified.
Either way, I'm waiting for the street protests to start. I've got my window open so I can hear them if they walk by. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
So, bigbird, if the same situation happened at a Catholic school in Denmark (if such a thing exists) your saying that the seething masses wouldn't be out? Just imagine, boys burn and pee on a koran! The signs practically write themselves! The punishment for insulting islam is, in the eyes of the seething masses, death. I hardly think that expulsion would do it.
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Why should there be rioting in the streets? |
There shouldn't. That is exactly my point. We are mature enough to say what you said. These were just kids, or that even if they were adults and not punished, even then the riots wouldn't be justified.
Either way, I'm waiting for the street protests to start. I've got my window open so I can hear them if they walk by. |
The main culprit was 11 years old. I find it hard to believe that any sensible person, muslim or not, would start rioting over the actions of an 11 year old kid. Every society has its morons, so it's possible a few morons would. But it would hardly start a national uprising. Now if the Pope pissed on the Koran and tore out a Surah with which to roll himself a joint, that would be a different matter entirely.
If the hypothetical Danish Catholic school took the same harsh action the non-hypothetical Australian Islamic college took, the Danish muslim community would have little to cry about.
And don't forget that pissing on the bible is a no-no in muslim culture too. The Christian bible is also considered a holy book by muslims, and should be respected. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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The main culprit was 11 years old. I find it hard to believe that any sensible person, muslim or not, would start rioting over the actions of an 11 year old kid. Every society has its morons, so it's possible a few morons would. But it would hardly start a national uprising. Now if the Pope pissed on the Koran and tore out a Surah with which to roll himself a joint, that would be a different matter entirely.
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I could not disagree with you more. Leave aside, for a moment, that people who have imaginary friends aren't sensible in any way, and focus for a moment on the fact that you are finding ways and reasons to justify our sanity as a civilization. Of COURSE you think that because the kid was 11 that there shouldn't be any violence. I also thought, with cartoon jihad that, well, they were just cartoons and muslims would be sensible enough not to overreact. But, perhaps they (muslims) just ain't sensible and a comparable act like this in a muslim country would have those kids dead. But, I feel very comfortable that one day, likely not to far away, I'll be proven right. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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He pee'd on it and also set it on fire, obviously he was not a science major...  |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
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The main culprit was 11 years old. I find it hard to believe that any sensible person, muslim or not, would start rioting over the actions of an 11 year old kid. Every society has its morons, so it's possible a few morons would. But it would hardly start a national uprising. Now if the Pope pissed on the Koran and tore out a Surah with which to roll himself a joint, that would be a different matter entirely.
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I could not disagree with you more. Leave aside, for a moment, that people who have imaginary friends aren't sensible in any way, and focus for a moment on the fact that you are finding ways and reasons to justify our sanity as a civilization. Of COURSE you think that because the kid was 11 that there shouldn't be any violence. I also thought, with cartoon jihad that, well, they were just cartoons and muslims would be sensible enough not to overreact. But, perhaps they (muslims) just ain't sensible and a comparable act like this in a muslim country would have those kids dead. But, I feel very comfortable that one day, likely not to far away, I'll be proven right. |
Frankly, I find it hilarious that this is considered such big news. Some naughty little schoolboys ripped up a book, pissed on it, set it on fire...and it's huge news. That says something about our society don't you think? The Australian obviously thought this would titillate its mostly non-muslim readership for some reason, and gave it plenty of coverage. Surely they've got better things to write about? |
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thepeel
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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The Australian is the only nationwide newspaper in Australia. I believe it was on the front page. And this 'news' also seems to have been reported in all the the other major Australian newspapers which cater to the separate states and major cities. It's huge news in Australia. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Personally I think there is no pleasing you BXYZ. To quote one of the letter writers that your links led to:
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| without any pressure, the school & its community took decisive action on their own. This is the kind of reaction the "Western" world is after & here they have done it. I think credit is due to the school. |
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/comments/0,22023,20881638-2862,00.html
What more do you want? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you are getting better. We have gone from huge news full stop, to huge news in OZ. Ok, that is fine.
But yeah, in Oz it is news, though I dunno huge news. As it should be. Australia is the one nation in the West that is actually standing up to the cultural imperialism of the islamists.
In fact, this weekend Australian women are protesting muslim views on women by standing outside of mosques in swimsuits. Now that is feminism! Not pissing and moaning about government handouts al la Canada and the so-called "pink book" but focusing on actual, physical threats to their safety and advancement. How novel, eh? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
Personally I think there is no pleasing you BXYZ. To quote one of the letter writers that your links led to:
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| without any pressure, the school & its community took decisive action on their own. This is the kind of reaction the "Western" world is after & here they have done it. I think credit is due to the school. |
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/comments/0,22023,20881638-2862,00.html
What more do you want? |
I don't want anything. This is just a fun way to get you multiCULTS all worked up while I'm typin out an essay. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| standing outside of mosques in swimsuits. |
Bikinis? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you are getting better. We have gone from huge news full stop, to huge news in OZ. Ok, that is fine.
But yeah, in Oz it is news, though I dunno huge news. As it should be. Australia is the one nation in the West that is actually standing up to the cultural imperialism of the islamists.
In fact, this weekend Australian women are protesting muslim views on women by standing outside of mosques in swimsuits. Now that is feminism! Not pissing and moaning about government handouts al la Canada and the so-called "pink book" but focusing on actual, physical threats to their safety and advancement. How novel, eh? |
I'm sure gawping wide-eyed at bikini-clad ladies would be your ideal encounter with feminism.  |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, bikinis.
Apparently, the muslims have asked for police protection from the women. I just love the bizarro world we live in. |
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