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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: i don't understand pension.... Reply with quote

...but I sort of do.

So the employer and employee each pay, what, 4.5% or something like that out of each paycheck. I understand I get it back when I leave, but what is the purpose of taking it out, and where does it go?

Why do some companies not offer it? How do some teachers go about paying it independantly without a school's help?
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Nambucaveman



Joined: 03 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Molly,

You might also look at this thread in the FAQ forum:

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=20651
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: i don't understand pension.... Reply with quote

MollyBloom wrote:
...but I sort of do.

So the employer and employee each pay, what, 4.5% or something like that out of each paycheck. I understand I get it back when I leave, but what is the purpose of taking it out, and where does it go?

Why do some companies not offer it? How do some teachers go about paying it independantly without a school's help?


In simple terms, if an employer is NOT paying into the pension plan s/he is breaking the law (and saving 4.5% of your salary - their contribution) that THEY are NOT paying into your pension plan.


side note here: this is independant of your severance (also required by law). Severance is equal to one months salary for each full year that you have been employed.
http://www.molab.go.kr:8001/english/policy/working_standards/pol0301.jsp

You cannot pay it independantly (unless you are self employed) because it requires the employer contribution.

The purpose of taking it out here is the same as a pension plan at home. You pay a premium every month for all the time you are working. Your employer matches that contribution. When you retire you have money to live off.

As a national of the USA or Canada you are entitled to withdraw the funds in your pension so that you may take it back to your home country when you leave. Theoretically you would deposit it into your pension plan (401k, RRSP or similar) when you get home.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Univ teachers DONT get severance in addition to pension. Its never been that way in all the years I've been here, you either get one or the other.

If there is a univ teacher who has gotten both from one employer I'd like to meet them.

I even got an opinion from EFL-Law about this and they verified it
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inkoreaforgood



Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon

PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hogwonguy1979 wrote:
Univ teachers DONT get severance in addition to pension. Its never been that way in all the years I've been here, you either get one or the other.

If there is a univ teacher who has gotten both from one employer I'd like to meet them.

I even got an opinion from EFL-Law about this and they verified it


I've met them...
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hogwonguy1979 wrote:
Univ teachers DONT get severance in addition to pension. Its never been that way in all the years I've been here, you either get one or the other.

If there is a univ teacher who has gotten both from one employer I'd like to meet them.

I even got an opinion from EFL-Law about this and they verified it


Actually, there was a documented case here not too long ago about a uni teacher that got both. Korea Institute of Technology (KAIST maybe) comes to mind but I could very well be mistaken.

There is one caveat here though and that is that in addition to the national pension an employer is allowed to contribute to a private pension in lieu of the severance.
"An employer may take out retirement insurance to ensure that his/her workers can draw pensions form the insurance after their retirement."

This is in addition to the national plan.

You'd be suprised how may uni-profs / teachers get royally scr>wed and willingly accept it.
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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what happens to an employer and employee if they are found not contributing to pension?

is it a fine, or something bigger?
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hojusaram



Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Location: Kangwon do South korea

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject: Helo regarding severance and private school pension payouts. Reply with quote

Hi there,
Just been having some discussions with someone who is being very pedantic about the issue of pension plans and severance payments. he is of the opinion that even though my university is paying into the private schools pension fund that I am able to also get severance payments.
The thing is I am in a dilema about this as i was told totally different information by a government official.

So anyway I have been working at a University for three years thinking that I am only qualified to receive the Private Pension plan and NO Severance payment.

Now would anyone care to show a specific law or article of law where it clearly states that severance payment is payment in addition to the private school pension payment. My Korean colleague seems to think the universities are not under the same law requirements? Is this correct?
I would love the actual clear and concise facts on this issue if anyone should have them.

Regards,
Lance.
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Bondrock



Joined: 08 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in Korea there are private and public universities.

some private universities call themselves "national" in their English names, but they are not what most westerners would think, i.e. governement owned... indeed many are private; the korean name is clearer in meaning.

that said, real national universities, such as where i work pay severance once a year and pay national pension as well.
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hojusaram



Joined: 26 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: yes if they pay national pension then they also pay severenc Reply with quote

yes if they do pay into the National Pension fund, then you do get a severence payment atthe end of contract.
However they can (if they are a private university) change to the Private School and Universities Pension fund and thereby would not have to pay a Severance payment as per the Korean Labour agreement.
It is purely the choice of the University.

quote="Bondrock"]in Korea there are private and public universities.

some private universities call themselves "national" in their English names, but they are not what most westerners would think, i.e. governement owned... indeed many are private; the korean name is clearer in meaning.

that said, real national universities, such as where i work pay severance once a year and pay national pension as well.[/quote]
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MANDRL



Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are planning on exiting Korea after your first year of teaching and then returning in about a month for a second contract, would you be able to get the pension refund after each year your contract comes up if you leave the country and come back? That may sound confusing but I don't know how else to word it...
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hojusaram



Joined: 26 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:15 am    Post subject: simple answer no you wouldnt Reply with quote

It takes a about 3 months to receive your pension after you supply a completion of contract certification and your parting air ticket.
They send to you after you have left the country and usually NOT before.


MANDRL wrote:
If you are planning on exiting Korea after your first year of teaching and then returning in about a month for a second contract, would you be able to get the pension refund after each year your contract comes up if you leave the country and come back? That may sound confusing but I don't know how else to word it...
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