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weninlome
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: Chick-chin
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: Motivation in learning |
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Dear Teachers
I read some Educational theory papers, not so long ago, about 2 general areas of learning motivation (short term and long term for want of the correct terminology) ...
my problem being that I sponsor the education and upbringing of 2 orphan children, 6 & 8 years old, taught the same syllabus in the same class but with drastically different results- the younger child is consistently averaging 80+% and the elder around 25%
it's a little difficult getting more information than the occasional scanned report card sent to me, but I have been made aware of the circumstances of their family disintergration (mother died and father disappeared) before the children ever had the chance to start their schooling,
does anyone have any knowledge of a recommended motivational approach for dealing with this kind of scenario?
I'm reluctant to try and influence the educational approach that they are currently given, but would really appreciate some advice as to how I could be approaching my 'distance parenting' frame of mind;
- should I suggest separating the children in the classroom?
- offer the elder child some long term reward for better behaviour and results in class?
- recommend some counselling in order to isolate the learning difficulty?
Any offers of practical advise would be warmly received, either by response or pm.
arohanui,
ko te mea nui |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Not trying to be snide, but there are so many variables that it's impossible to give any good advice. |
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weninlome
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: Chick-chin
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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No offence taken, Beaver ...
please allow me to redirect this plea for advice to
- any teachers who have taught orphan children, for an indication of prevalent psychological issues
- those with a theoretical knowledge of 'external?' (long term) motivation of children
- any parent who has had an older child with learning difficulties, outshone by a younger sibling
- any teacher who has encountered/conquered the older/younger scenario
like I said, I'm just trying to get a handle on an educational problem that I haven't personally encountered before, one I would dearly like to understand better -
the children are in Nepal btw.
cheers |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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The difference in mentality between an 8 year old and a 6 year old is significantly in this kind of situation in that the 8 year has had time to develop a mechanism to deal with their respective problem (as the person above mentioned, there are also SO many variables at play here).
I currently live in a place where children are brought up by either a third-party relative (grandmother, aunt or cousin) or in foster care and I know people who were bought up in foster care (not a pretty picture, similar to being in an orghanage in regards to the amount of different children being raised in a single place).
If you are want a way to encourage or motivate them to study hard; Send them a card (have it translated from English to Korean) occasionally telling them you are thinking about them and in turn care about what they do. And if you could, make a supervised appearance and tell them yourself that you are proud of their achievements.
Simple stuff like this will boost their spirits and make them want to study... |
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weninlome
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: Chick-chin
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Send them a card (have it translated from English to Korean) occasionally telling them you are thinking about them and in turn care about what they do. And if you could, make a supervised appearance and tell them yourself that you are proud of their achievements. |
thanks for the positive advice ...
friends and family around the world helped out by sending xmas gifts to the kids in Nepal.
They do study English, so I will get active and start sending some simply worded cards in the hope that they develop an interest in the outside world that education offers.
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| The difference in mentality between an 8 year old and a 6 year old is significantly in this kind of situation in that the 8 year has had time to develop a mechanism to deal with their respective problem |
unfortunately it's the 8 year old who has not adapted and it concerns me that this kind of defence mechanism could be learned by the younger sibling- who is a star! |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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What nationality are they and where do they live? Suggestions for Korean orphan children would be a lot different from those growing up in American society.
I've done a little volunteer work with Korean orphans / foster kids but none so young that I could provide any help. If they're older any sort of material that gets them interested in learning anything on their own is a big plus. |
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weninlome
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: Chick-chin
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| What nationality are they and where do they live? |
they are Nepalese children living in a shack with their grandmother, near Kathmandu. Their mother died 2 years ago and father took off with the maoists, leaving the kids with the grannie who is too elderly to work. I took on the role of 'family unit' sponsor after getting in touch with a volunteer agency in Nepal.
Apologies if the story appears to be drifting more off-topic,
it was my original intention to gather information about the theories of motivation in learning that ESL teachers here might hold-
just to get my head around what kind of support role I can play from a distance ... I did not expect the elder child to struggle as much as she has and I'm starting to get a better picture of her as possibly
- having developed defence mechanisms to cope with emotional loss
- being responsive to different forms of instruction
this is a new experience for me,
but one that I'm extremely grateful for guidance with |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Are you sure it has anything to do with the child's trauma?
My wife taught a brother and sister for a few months. The younger brother excelled, while the older sister grew more and more resentful toward her brother and the lessons, and thus participated less. I think siblings should be taught seperately if at all possible. |
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weninlome
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: Chick-chin
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| I think siblings should be taught seperately if at all possible. |
I totally agree with you there
and I hear your trauma/resentment thoughts,
once I work out how, I will post a pic of the kids together and you will see the elder one smiling like a chesire cat & the younger looking very serious .. from all accounts the elder looks after her sister like a mother, yet has no ability to concentrate and set a good example in class. She also has a better attendance record than the younger girl.
.. maybe it's a cultural thing?
another friend suggested that it has something to do with her age, so hopefully maturity and continuous exposure to education may smooth out the ride a little- once she has learned to shut the rest of her life out of the classroom!
kai ora |
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VirginIslander
Joined: 24 May 2006 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Just out of curiosity, have you ever visited the children? I would love to go and volunteer for several months but a flight to Nepal from Japan is $3,000.
I dated a Nepalise woman throughout college. She used to tell me about
the orphans, and gangs of uneducated, poor kids who would
lurk the streets stealing and begging. Nepal is one of the poorest nations on the world.
Cant offer any advice but it is nice to know that there are people like you who use their also help the people who really need it. |
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weninlome
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: Chick-chin
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: |
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I haven't yet been or seen them,
shameless plug time http://www.vsnnepal.org/
the agency was refered to me by a friend who volunteered on a program there and since had a lot of contact with volunteers who have looked in on 'my kids' ..
... I'm figuring that overland is the way to get there, via the new Beijing-Llasa rail route & a short airhop across to Kathmandu-
lots of building, teaching, medical work to get on with once I get there- no shortage of willing wanderers based there either...
a chinese friend sent them their new jackets and a kiwi friend knitted them gloves and hats
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| couple of really cute kids... |
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