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inseoul

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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: North American Universities. |
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In my previous thread about the school who have posted 10 reasons for not hiring Native speakers on their website (including the 'facts' that we all have aids and are queer), someone posted some stats on North American Universities, claiming they make up most of the top ranked Uni's in the World.
I was educated in a New Zealand university and I must say I have seldom come across a North American who struck me as particulary smart or well educated.
That might be because I studied a fairly strict discipline at Uni while alot of the people I have met in Korea studied fairly wishy washy topics (like French History, or Foreign Studies, or the Jamican Political System etc....), or maybe because I am one of the the exceptions to the rule. Or perhaps simply because the study of 'best uni's' is conducted under false pretence and probably by a north american organization anyway.
At least, these are my impressions of both "educated" North Americans and this so called "global ranking" of uni's.
Excuse my case sensitiveness, it is pure laziness. |
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Wrench
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: |
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It depends on the student any university can be fantastic if only you are an excellent student.
American universities are ranked high because they constantly spew out new research and overall have very high statistics when it comes to graduates. |
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ACT III

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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Or perhaps the defining aspects of a "smart and well educated" may not necessarily correlate with such things as being articulate. If one graduates from a University that is particularly good at engineering you can't expect that person to have read Shakespeare's Othello. And if this specialization in a particular field of "top universities" isn't outwardly evident, the statement "I have seldom come across a North American who struck me as particularly smart or well educated." is one without merit. The question I have is how do you formulate an opinion on �smart or well educated�? By how they say hi? Their accent? Or perhaps efficiency in small talk?
I imagine that most your interactions with "North Americans" has been on a very impersonal level, maybe water cooler talk. (Which rarely gets into anything more sophisticated then "I want to bang her.") Or maybe you have known a fairly dumb American. But I would have to ask, if they are not your equal in smarts or educated, why are they working in the same field as you?
Some would say that "rainman" was dumb.
Don't underestimate people.
Especially Americans. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, this one is certainly not a troll. |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: Re: North American Universities. |
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| inseoul wrote: |
In my previous thread about the school who have posted 10 reasons for not hiring Native speakers on their website (including the 'facts' that we all have aids and are *beep*), someone posted some stats on North American Universities, claiming they make up most of the top ranked Uni's in the World.
I was educated in a New Zealand university and I must say I have seldom come across a North American who struck me as particulary smart or well educated.
That might be because I studied a fairly strict discipline at Uni while alot of the people I have met in Korea studied fairly wishy washy topics (like French History, or Foreign Studies, or the Jamican Political System etc....), or maybe because I am one of the the exceptions to the rule. Or perhaps simply because the study of 'best uni's' is conducted under false pretence and probably by a north american organization anyway.
At least, these are my impressions of both "educated" North Americans and this so called "global ranking" of uni's.
Excuse my case sensitiveness, it is pure laziness. |
I'm a hillbilly from eastern Tennessee and a graduate of one of the worst universities in North America. I'm also willing to teach you the fundamentals of grammar and spelling for 80,000 won per hour.  |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Location: Eungam Loop
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: North American Universities. |
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| inseoul wrote: |
In my previous thread about the school who have posted 10 reasons for not hiring Native speakers on their website (including the 'facts' that we all have aids and are *beep*), someone posted some stats on North American Universities, claiming they make up most of the top ranked Uni's in the World.
I was educated in a New Zealand university and I must say I have seldom come across a North American who struck me as particulary smart or well educated.
That might be because I studied a fairly strict discipline at Uni while alot of the people I have met in Korea studied fairly wishy washy topics (like French History, or Foreign Studies, or the Jamican Political System etc....), or maybe because I am one of the the exceptions to the rule. Or perhaps simply because the study of 'best uni's' is conducted under false pretence and probably by a north american organization anyway.
At least, these are my impressions of both "educated" North Americans and this so called "global ranking" of uni's.
Excuse my case sensitiveness, it is pure laziness. |
I guess not everyone can be as smart as you Kiwis.
What do you got to show for your superior intelligence? Wool and Hobbit movies. |
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Gamecock

Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:23 am Post subject: |
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I don't know many Kiwis, but I do know that we folks from the US of A are stupider than Canadians, y'all bein' fluent in 2 languages and all...
...and your University GPA's are all so great...oh wait, is it true that 85% is an A in Canada, and 51% is a passing grade???!!! SNAP! |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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I was on the board of govenors in my graduating year at uni. As it turned out my school was rated number one in the country the following year by McLeans magazine. Point being is this, the numbers were doctored and enhanced for the publisher. Yes a good majority of it was true, but there was a little mustard on it as well.
In my opinion the top schools in the world come down to funding and what they got in their pockets. If you can afford top end research, professors want to work there. Now to the OP saying that North Americans dont come across as bright, man, and not being personal, but I have met alot of rock head Kiwi Rugby lads in my day. It was only since I came to Korea and having met more Kiwis did my opinion get better of the lads in that country. I, like the OP, am not trying offend anyone here, but more so just voice my opinion on the people I have met and the brains they lack.
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| DaeguKid wrote: |
I was on the board of govenors in my graduating year at uni. As it turned out my school was rated number one in the country the following year by McLeans magazine. Point being is this, the numbers were doctored and enhanced for the publisher. Yes a good majority of it was true, but there was a little mustard on it as well.
In my opinion the top schools in the world come down to funding and what they got in their pockets. If you can afford top end research, professors want to work there. Now to the OP saying that North Americans dont come across as bright, man, and not being personal, but I have met alot of rock head Kiwi Rugby lads in my day. It was only since I came to Korea and having met more Kiwis did my opinion get better of the lads in that country. I, like the OP, am not trying offend anyone here, but more so just voice my opinion on the people I have met and the brains they lack.
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What school did you go to? |
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shifter2009

Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Location: wisconsin
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| In America I had a kiwi roommate and his grades weren't any better than mine. They weren't any worse either. He was an *sshole however. So I don't know what that says about the system. |
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Missile Command Kid
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: North American Universities. |
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| inseoul wrote: |
| I was educated in a New Zealand university and I must say I have seldom come across a North American who struck me as particulary smart or well educated. |
And you know for a fact that each and every single North American you came across was a college graduate?
| inseoul wrote: |
| That might be because I studied a fairly strict discipline... |
What, like S&M?
| inseoul wrote: |
| ...while alot of the people I have met in Korea studied fairly wishy washy topics (like French History, or Foreign Studies, or the Jamican Political System etc....) |
Ah, I see. Your problem is with Arts majors, then. What's your degree, hot shot?
| inseoul wrote: |
| ...or maybe because I am one of the the exceptions to the rule. |
Do you think that this is due to your gaping insecurities or your obnoxious arrogance?
| inseoul wrote: |
| Or perhaps simply because the study of 'best uni's' is conducted under false pretence and probably by a north american organization anyway. |
Is there any particular study you have a problem with? Care to post a link to the study so we can look at its methodology, or are you content to leave it at your opinion?
| inseoul wrote: |
| At least, these are my impressions of both "educated" North Americans and this so called "global ranking" of uni's. |
I don't think you want us to give us our impression about your particular education. In particular...
| inseoul wrote: |
| Excuse my case sensitiveness, it is pure laziness. |
... I'm wondering if you'd care whether we discuss your inability to write grammatically proper English. You know, given the fact that "you're the exception to the rule" and all, and apparently your shit smells better than North Americans' do. What's next: should we all get out a ruler, or is yours automatically bigger than North Americans' too? |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| DaeguKid wrote: |
I was on the board of govenors in my graduating year at uni. As it turned out my school was rated number one in the country the following year by McLeans magazine. Point being is this, the numbers were doctored and enhanced for the publisher. Yes a good majority of it was true, but there was a little mustard on it as well.
In my opinion the top schools in the world come down to funding and what they got in their pockets. If you can afford top end research, professors want to work there. Now to the OP saying that North Americans dont come across as bright, man, and not being personal, but I have met alot of rock head Kiwi Rugby lads in my day. It was only since I came to Korea and having met more Kiwis did my opinion get better of the lads in that country. I, like the OP, am not trying offend anyone here, but more so just voice my opinion on the people I have met and the brains they lack.
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What school did you go to? |
STFX in Antigonish....good times, good people...and many are over here drinking at RMT in Seoul! |
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| In America I had a kiwi roommate and his grades weren't any better than mine. They weren't any worse either. He was an *sshole however. So I don't know what that says about the system. |
NOW THAT IS FUNNY STUFF!!!!
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: Re: North American Universities. |
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| inseoul wrote: |
In my previous thread about the school who have posted 10 reasons for not hiring Native speakers on their website (including the 'facts' that we all have aids and are *beep*), someone posted some stats on North American Universities, claiming they make up most of the top ranked Uni's in the World.
I was educated in a New Zealand university and I must say I have seldom come across a North American who struck me as particulary smart or well educated.
That might be because I studied a fairly strict discipline at Uni while alot of the people I have met in Korea studied fairly wishy washy topics (like French History, or Foreign Studies, or the Jamican Political System etc....), or maybe because I am one of the the exceptions to the rule. Or perhaps simply because the study of 'best uni's' is conducted under false pretence and probably by a north american organization anyway.
At least, these are my impressions of both "educated" North Americans and this so called "global ranking" of uni's.
Excuse my case sensitiveness, it is pure laziness. |
Based on hanging out with North American english teachers in Korea?
It's fairly doutful that the same guy who studied Finance at Wharton is going to be teaching the ABC's to Korean kids in a kiddie hogwan. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Or perhaps the defining aspects of a "smart and well educated" may not necessarily correlate with such things as being articulate. If one graduates from a University that is particularly good at engineering you can't expect that person to have read Shakespeare's Othello. And if this specialization in a particular field of "top universities" isn't outwardly evident, the statement "I have seldom come across a North American who struck me as particularly smart or well educated." is one without merit. The question I have is how do you formulate an opinion on �smart or well educated�? By how they say hi? Their accent? Or perhaps efficiency in small talk?
I imagine that most your interactions with "North Americans" has been on a very impersonal level, maybe water cooler talk. (Which rarely gets into anything more sophisticated then "I want to bang her.") Or maybe you have known a fairly dumb American. But I would have to ask, if they are not your equal in smarts or educated, why are they working in the same field as you?
Some would say that "rainman" was dumb.
Don't underestimate people.
Especially Americans. |
Right on.
When I worked at a uni, there were a couple of Canadian teachers who would speak in French about the proliferation of nuclear weapons in Iraq... So I'm guessing the OP isn't working at a very high-caliber institution, or isn't commiserating with intellectually-stimualting people. One of said instructors is now working on her PhD in French history at Cambridge (one of those "wishy-washy" subjects the OP mentioned). She made Napoleon fascinating.
What did you study, OP? I studied photography at an art institute. I don't come across many people who are interested in discussing the ethics of Sally Mann's work, or what Sebastiao Salgado is up to these days, etc., etc.
http://www.unicef.org/salgado/ You can see some amazing images on that site... |
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