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Korean students vs. Japanese students

 
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GentleSusan



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:17 pm    Post subject: Korean students vs. Japanese students Reply with quote

I teach them both here in Vancouver.

I know that a lot of people prefer Japanese students, but give me a Korean any day of the week.

They are friendlier, more socially and politically informed and best of all if they don't like your class or your teaching style, they'll tell you to your face.

The Japanese students say things like "Bush is good because he looks like President", say that there are no social problems in Japan whatsoever and speak of the esteemed, dignified Japanese "character" as though it's fact not opinion.

Most infuriating? They'll fawn all over you, pretend to adore you and then go and complain about you to your boss behind your back.

Anyone else taught the two?
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A more important question is, will the Japanese students stick their fingers up your butt?
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rocklee



Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, how old are your students? That makes a bit of a difference.
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been in both countries a decent amount of time. I prefer Koreans both as students and people.
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rocklee



Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
A more important question is, will the Japanese students stick their fingers up your butt?


That's pretty funny that. Its only the Japanese kids I know that do this michievous act.

Satori, are you working at an eikawa or as an ALT?
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard Korean students say similar things. "He looks like a teacher", "he is a good president because he looks like one."

First thing to remember, teaching Koreans in Canada, US, etc. is much different than teaching them here. I have even had friends in the states but when they have come back to Korea they changed. Teaching 4-10 students in a class is not an accurate judge of them. In Korea I teach and average of 250 different students a year. I have taught in 4 different areas of Korea and there are great differences with each of them.

I think that the OP should teach abroad for a few years before judging the quality.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend (OP, do you know a hefty guy with poor vision named Greg?) also teaches them both in Vancouver. He said he found the Japanese girls to be much more self-absorbed than the Koreans. I don't know how on earth that could be possible but he swears it's true. He married a Korean student so I guess his preference is pretty obvious.

I've also heard that Koreans are much quicker to complain about something they don't like.
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GentleSusan



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent three years teaching university in Korea and have been teaching on and off for ten years.

Yes, I know Greg. He was a co-worker and a very nice guy. I've also met his wife. Some of his opinions were formed at my school. It's true the Koreans complain about Vancouver incessantly. But a well-placed joke about Korea usually brings them around to admitting their country and culture is flawed. The Japanese kids seem quite content to be vapid and vacuous judging everything according to shopping and spending power.

Granted, I'm mad at some Japanese students for complaining about me so am venting. But all things considered, the Koreans do match up well against their neighbours.

One day, a Japanese student in a moment of frustration aired his thoughts about the classroom dynamic wherein he felt he wasn't getting his due.

His words: "I know we are not as good as white - but surely we are better than Korean."

He then apologized to me about a Japanese woman he saw on the subway for her lack of trendiness.
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GentleSusan



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Students in their 20s and 30s mostly.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GentleSusan wrote:
His words: "I know we are not as good as white - but surely we are better than Korean."

He then apologized to me about a Japanese woman he saw on the subway for her lack of trendiness.


How excruciating. There's no hope for people like that. I think the best thing you can do is bear with their comments patiently and console yourself with the thought that they have issues to work through that will, at the least, hamper them socially and with women for years.
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rocklee wrote:
ajgeddes wrote:
A more important question is, will the Japanese students stick their fingers up your butt?


That's pretty funny that. Its only the Japanese kids I know that do this michievous act.

Satori, are you working at an eikawa or as an ALT?

At a juku, but I've done ALT work too, really really really didn't like that. Three months at a school and not a single teacher, even the priniciple ever spoke a word to me or even looked at me. This was in a rural area though...
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
GentleSusan wrote:
His words: "I know we are not as good as white - but surely we are better than Korean."

He then apologized to me about a Japanese woman he saw on the subway for her lack of trendiness.


How excruciating. There's no hope for people like that. I think the best thing you can do is bear with their comments patiently and console yourself with the thought that they have issues to work through that will, at the least, hamper them socially and with women for years.


That was pretty funny to me.

Koreans also are pretty racist.I'm certain they feel that surely they are better than the Chinese.

Second comment kind of shows that with their own fascism outlawed to them,those impulses still have somewhere to go.

"That frumpy woman does not represent my country nor my culture"

C'mon!That's hilarious!He doesn't have issues in the slightest
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GentleSusan wrote:
I spent three years teaching university in Korea and have been teaching on and off for ten years.


One day, a Japanese student in a moment of frustration aired his thoughts about the classroom dynamic wherein he felt he wasn't getting his due.
His words: "I know . . . . ..


This sort of sums up something I've noticed about the Japanese students in the states. It's been a while since I taught them, and only taught them in the U.S. when I was doing my grad work, a numbern of years ago, but . . . what I noticed is that if you didn't fawn all over them, if you didn't make them number one attention getters in the classroom . . . and, the cardinal sin, showed more attention to or knowledge of the cultures of other Asians, especially Koreans, they'd ding you later in evaluations . .. even though they'd be perfectly fine with you in class. I actually experimented with this and proved it out, to a degree.

Japanese students also tended to turn any writing topic into something about Japan ! Koreans did that somewhat too, but not as predictably.
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