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Should Japan Rearm...?

 
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Should Japan Rearm?
Yes
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 62%  [ 18 ]
Undecided
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 6%  [ 2 ]
No
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: Should Japan Rearm...? Reply with quote

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TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- Japan's conservative government chipped away at two pillars of the country's postwar pacifism, requiring schools to teach patriotism and upgrading the Defense Agency to a full ministry for the first time since World War II.

The measures, enacted Friday in a vote by Parliament's upper house, form key elements of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's push to bolster Japan's international military role, build up national pride and distance the country from its post-1945 war guilt...


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/12/15/japan.pacifist.rollback.ap/index.html

There are other questions I might ask, as well: for example, Does this mainly derive from domestic considerations or world affairs?
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NAVFC



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan should definitely re arm. In these times, with the North Korean and Chinese threats, they need a military. Leaving their fate to be decided by other nations is foolish.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
Japan should definitely re arm. In these times, with the North Korean and Chinese threats, they need a military. Leaving their fate to be decided by other nations is foolish.


They have a military, a very well equipped one too. THe main point of this is not the actual rearmament, but the idea that go along with all of these proposals. You will find many younger Japanese are not so happy about this. I don't like the idea of Japan's "internation role" or the patriotism classes...

While they may use world affairs to excuse it, it is a domestic situation. The old timers are trying to hold onto power through fear and patriotism.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan Self-Defense Forces

Wikipedia wrote:
The JSDF numbered 239,430 in 2005 with 147,737 in the Ground Self-Defense Force, 44,327 in the Maritime Self-Defense Force, 45,517 in the Air Self-Defense Force, and 1,849 in the Joint Staff Office. Reserves numbered 57,899.


Seems pretty armed to me. Apparently they spend 42.1 billion dollars on their military, although this is only 1% of their GDP.

Country GDP (Real) % of GDP on military Calculated Expenditure

China $2.2trillion 4.3% $94.6billion
Japan $4.6trillion 1% $42.1billion
RoK $800billion 2.6% $20.8billion
DPRK ??? ??? ???
Taiwan $323billion 2.4% $7.75billion
USA $12.5trillion 4.06% $507.5billion
India $720billion 2.5% $18billion


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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should Japan rearm itself to fend off foreign aggression in a nuclear age? Yes.

Should Japan whitewash its history and past in an effort to herd its citizens into blind nationalism? No. They are different matters.

Ken:>
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
Should Japan rearm itself to fend off foreign aggression in a nuclear age? Yes.

Should Japan whitewash its history and past in an effort to herd its citizens into blind nationalism? No. They are different matters.

Ken:>


It's already armed for defence. They are talking about offence, using their army abroad (and equipping it for that).
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan has prospered just fine with the current defense budget they have, under the wing of the US (much like South Korea). They are just emerging from a decade of poor economic performance and their population is aging fast. Why divert more of their money into military spending?

While the South Korean and Chinese governments deliberately manipulate public sentiment to keep anti-Japanese attitudes alive, they have fertile ground to work with. East Asians in general are nervous about an (re-)armed Japan. Why feed that fear unless there is a clear pay-off?

China's economy is half as big right now but will surpass Japan's 'soon'. Can Japan really afford to get in an arms race it can't win in the long run?

As for going nuclear, why complicate things any more than they are now? Too many already have nukes.

The wiser course for Japan to take is to limit its troop deployments to UN humanitarian missions.
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SPINOZA



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted 'yes' for all the obvious reasons, but I also want Japan and South Korea to join the nuclear club.

Why? Because if NK's apparent nuclearization led to a nuclearized Japan and SK, China would be most disappointed with NK.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
It's already armed for defence.
They are talking about offence, using their army abroad (and equipping it for that).


Indeed, a point well worth considering Idea

Japan Leader Eyes Move On Constitution
By CHISAKI WATANABE, Associated Press Writer
Tue Dec 19, 12:30 PM ET

TOKYO - Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Tuesday he wants to pass legislation next year that would allow a national referendum on changing Japan's pacifist Constitution.



Abe, in a speech marking the end of this year's parliamentary session, also said he aimed to amend the Constitution during his term in office.

He took office in September after winning a three-year term as ruling party president. The U.S.-drafted Constitution, which bars Japan from warfare overseas, has never been amended since taking effect in 1947 Idea

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061219/ap_on_re_as/japan_constitution
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
Japan should definitely re arm. In these times, with the North Korean and Chinese threats, they need a military. Leaving their fate to be decided by other nations is foolish.


Adding yet another major military power to the world, especially one with Japan's past record, especially one with Japan's known insularity and nationalism, might also be perceived as foolish.

I doubt anyone would want Japan to use its military for anything but defensive purposes anyway, and aren't the current National Defense Forces adequate for that anyway?
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chris_J2



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japanese rearmourment gets a credible mention here, talking in the context of the October 6 detonation by Kim Jong Il / North Korea:

"First, China does not wish to give Japan the excuse to develop its own nuclear arsenal. A nuclear-armed Kim Jong Il gives Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe a compelling reason to arm Japan with nuclear weapons. Japan has enough plutonium to build some 8,000 nuclear warheads and it has the technology to build the missiles to deliver them accurately to Beijing. It may also encourage other Asian powers to seek to acquire nuclear weapons; Taiwan being foremost among these."

Source: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17677

Mr. DeVore (R.-Irvine) represents 450,000 people in coastal Orange County's 70th Assembly District. He also serves as a lieutenant colonel in the Army National Guard.
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SPINOZA



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
NAVFC wrote:
Japan should definitely re arm. In these times, with the North Korean and Chinese threats, they need a military. Leaving their fate to be decided by other nations is foolish.


Adding yet another major military power to the world, especially one with Japan's past record, especially one with Japan's known insularity and nationalism, might also be perceived as foolish.


Given that nuclear powers include the USA, the UK of GB, Israel, Russia, France....I fail to see any justification for Japan not re-arming and indeed becoming a fully-fledged member of the nuclear club on these (bolded) grounds.

It's simply a given that nuclear weapons contribute to the common good (the first half of the 20th Century vs the second half is more than sufficient evidence).

Nukes are to be worshipped as a God-send. The more civlized countries that possess nukes, the better. Japan qualifies, easily. So does South Korea.
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