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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: Islam gets concessions; infidels get conquered |
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Unlike the permanent Muslim desecration of Hagia Sophia, after Israel's victory in the 1967 war, the Jews did not deface or convert the mosque into a Jewish synagogue or temple, even though the Al Aqsa mosque is deliberately built atop the remains of the Temple Mount, the holiest site of Judaism and, by extension, an important site for Christians.
Herein lies the conundrum. When Islamists wage jihad � past, present and future � conquering and consolidating non-Muslim territories and centers in the name of Islam, never once considering to cede them back to their previous owners, they ultimately demonstrate that they live by the age-old adage "might makes right." That's fine; many people agree with this Hobbesian view.
But if we live in a world where the strong rule and the weak submit, why is it that whenever Muslim regions are conquered, such as in the case of Palestine, the same Islamists who would never concede one inch of Islam's conquests resort to the United Nations and the court of public opinion, demanding justice, restitutions, rights and so forth?
Put another way, when Muslims beat infidels, it's just too bad for the latter; they must submit to their new overlords' rules with all the attendant discrimination and humiliation mandated for non-Muslims. Yet when Islam is beaten, demands for apologies and concessions are expected from the infidel world at large.
And what did the pope do in his controversial visit to Hagia Sophia? He refrained from any gesture that could be misconstrued as Christian worship and merely took in the sights of the museum. Moreover, when he was invited into the Blue Mosque nearby, he respectfully took off his shoes and prayed, eyes downcast, standing next to the the grand mufti of Istanbul like a true dhimmi � a subdued non-Muslim living under Islamic law and acknowledging Islamic superiority.
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A very interesting read. From the L.A. Times... Hardly a mecca of hatred.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ibrahim5dec05,0,5510071,print.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Well put. The moral standards of the west are exploited as a weakness. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think that it's just living by 'might makes right'.....The prophet did say that once the muslim conquers land..It is NOT to be given back ever! Or if lost, fought for until reconquered....Palestinian supporters can't seem to grasp this point..or just have to make a ton of excuses for it... |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal's speech last friday:
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How much emotive rubbish can a muslim leader spout? First up palestine was never of any significance to muslims historically, there were no "holy" sites and the ground they were standing on is historically jewish. |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal's speech last friday:
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| "You are standing in the holy land. Palestine is the holy land". |
How much emotive rubbish can a muslim leader spout? First up palestine was never of any significance to muslims historically, there were no "holy" sites and the ground they were standing on is historically jewish. |
Dome of the rock? |
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