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seoulunitarian
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 Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: A North Korean Solution |
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If you were US president and Congress combined, what would be your solution for dealing with North Korea?
If I had the power, I would establish completely normalized relations with North Korea including an embassy in Pyongyang, the lifting of all embargos, and IAEA-supervised nuclear energy reactors sufficient for providing energy to the entire country in exchange for the following:
(1) A complete halt to the nulcear weapons program verified by the IAEA.
(2) A complete halt to monetary counterfeiting verified by whatever agency verifies such things.
(3) Entering into discussion with Pyongyang on the human rights issue.
(4) Brokering a written promise from both parties ruling out military force if all promises are kept.
(5) Negotiating a peace treaty between the South and North.
I truly believe that if the president himself (or herself in the future) would personally broker such a deal, KJI would be more than happy to accept the conditions. Thoughts?
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Crippling sanctions and a naval blockade. Sanctions on any country dealing with NK, including ROk and PRC. Cut off all fund transfer to the DPRK. Seize all their assets in foreign banks.
Troop and equipment buildup in Japan and 2 carrier groups on either side of the DPRK. A simple demand: halt all activity within a week or its game over. And DELIVER when he doesnt.
I propse you people stop living in never never land. KJI will never follow any deal he signs. He signs deals to buy himself more time so he can then break that deal and blackmail the world again, and again, and again. The ONLY way to deal with the DPRK is to crush it without mercy. Read about the DPRK's trategic disengagement. KJI doesnt want normalized relations. he doesnt want contact with the world. KJI wants to keep creating crisis after crisi so that he can disengage from the world, keep his country in a state of military readiness - that way he can keep a grip on power. |
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jhaelin
Joined: 30 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: A North Korean Solution |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
If you were US president and Congress combined, what would be your solution for dealing with North Korea?
If I had the power, I would establish completely normalized relations with North Korea including an embassy in Pyongyang, the lifting of all embargos, and IAEA-supervised nuclear energy reactors sufficient for providing energy to the entire country in exchange for the following:
(1) A complete halt to the nulcear weapons program verified by the IAEA.
(2) A complete halt to monetary counterfeiting verified by whatever agency verifies such things.
(3) Entering into discussion with Pyongyang on the human rights issue.
(4) Brokering a written promise from both parties ruling out military force if all promises are kept.
(5) Negotiating a peace treaty between the South and North.
I truly believe that if the president himself (or herself in the future) would personally broker such a deal, KJI would be more than happy to accept the conditions. Thoughts?
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: A North Korean Solution |
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| jhaelin wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
If you were US president and Congress combined, what would be your solution for dealing with North Korea?
If I had the power, I would establish completely normalized relations with North Korea including an embassy in Pyongyang, the lifting of all embargos, and IAEA-supervised nuclear energy reactors sufficient for providing energy to the entire country in exchange for the following:
(1) A complete halt to the nulcear weapons program verified by the IAEA.
(2) A complete halt to monetary counterfeiting verified by whatever agency verifies such things.
(3) Entering into discussion with Pyongyang on the human rights issue.
(4) Brokering a written promise from both parties ruling out military force if all promises are kept.
(5) Negotiating a peace treaty between the South and North.
I truly believe that if the president himself (or herself in the future) would personally broker such a deal, KJI would be more than happy to accept the conditions. Thoughts?
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tell me when your running...
you have my vote for president/congress! |
I can see fairies and magical unicorns, and angels on clouds and KJI respecting a treaty/agreement he signed. You are in for a rude awakaning. 5 bucks on the current agreement getting broken by KJI within 3 months. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: A North Korean Solution |
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| jinju wrote: |
| jhaelin wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
If you were US president and Congress combined, what would be your solution for dealing with North Korea?
If I had the power, I would establish completely normalized relations with North Korea including an embassy in Pyongyang, the lifting of all embargos, and IAEA-supervised nuclear energy reactors sufficient for providing energy to the entire country in exchange for the following:
(1) A complete halt to the nulcear weapons program verified by the IAEA.
(2) A complete halt to monetary counterfeiting verified by whatever agency verifies such things.
(3) Entering into discussion with Pyongyang on the human rights issue.
(4) Brokering a written promise from both parties ruling out military force if all promises are kept.
(5) Negotiating a peace treaty between the South and North.
I truly believe that if the president himself (or herself in the future) would personally broker such a deal, KJI would be more than happy to accept the conditions. Thoughts?
Peace |
tell me when your running...
you have my vote for president/congress! |
I can see fairies and magical unicorns, and angels on clouds and KJI respecting a treaty/agreement he signed. You are in for a rude awakaning. 5 bucks on the current agreement getting broken by KJI within 3 months. |
Jinju,
WHat you are proposing has been tried in varying degrees, and has yielded no results. I, for one, do not believe KJI is some crazy man. I believe he loves his power, and if he could hold on to that power, would welcome normalized relations with western countries in a heartbeat. It is something the US has never tried, and I believe it is high time for a different approach. War only breeds more war, and upping the stakes only makes KJI do the same. Military pressure is the most dangerous approach to the situation unless you want war.
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joeyjoejoe
Joined: 24 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: A North Korean Solution |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
(1) A complete halt to the nulcear weapons program verified by the IAEA.
(2) A complete halt to monetary counterfeiting verified by whatever agency verifies such things.
(3) Entering into discussion with Pyongyang on the human rights issue.
(4) Brokering a written promise from both parties ruling out military force if all promises are kept.
(5) Negotiating a peace treaty between the South and North.
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what about the drug trafficking? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: A North Korean Solution |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| I believe he loves his power, and if he could hold on to that power, would welcome normalized relations with western countries in a heartbeat. |
Wrong. KJI does love his power and wants to hold on to it, but if for a second you think he is afraid of the outside world you are wrong. This is not about his fear of the US. He has China in his corner, he owns the SK government..what he fears is going out Caucescu style. He creates crisis after crisis for the sole purpose of staying disengaged from the international community. Why? To keep his people squarely under his thumb, to keep control of his military. Opening up to the world would mean a loss of control over his people. Thats what he fears. Offering him normalized relations is what he DOESNT want.
But let me get tis straight. You think that KJI would give up his weapons tha give him prestige (in his twisted mind), his drug trafficking, his money laundering. You think KJI would open up the gulags and relase hundreds of thousands of people...just for the promise of an American Embassy in Pyongyang and the US promising they wont do something he already knows hey wont do anyway?
Are you people awake? |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: A North Korean Solution |
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| jinju wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| I believe he loves his power, and if he could hold on to that power, would welcome normalized relations with western countries in a heartbeat. |
Wrong. KJI does love his power and wants to hold on to it, but if for a second you think he is afraid of the outside world you are wrong. This is not about his fear of the US. He has China in his corner, he owns the SK government..what he fears is going out Caucescu style. He creates crisis after crisis for the sole purpose of staying disengaged from the international community. Why? To keep his people squarely under his thumb, to keep control of his military. Opening up to the world would mean a loss of control over his people. Thats what he fears. Offering him normalized relations is what he DOESNT want.
But let me get tis straight. You think that KJI would give up his weapons tha give him prestige (in his twisted mind), his drug trafficking, his money laundering. You think KJI would open up the gulags and relase hundreds of thousands of people...just for the promise of an American Embassy in Pyongyang and the US promising they wont do something he already knows hey wont do anyway?
Are you people awake? |
Wide awake, Jinju. Which is why I am proposing a different direction. The direction the Bush administration is on has led to the detonation of a nuclear weapon. I do not think that KJI would have felt the need to detonate, much less create, a nuclear weapon had diplomacy been the method of interaction rather than breast-beating machismo.
I think KJI would do almost anything for the things I mentioned, which go way beyond establishing an embassy and a promise of not attacking. I am not saying things would change overnight, but a diplomatic approach would certainly remove his stubby little fingers from proximity of the nuclear push button.
KJI has his hands in private capitalistic endeavors all over the place. He even has his own military division (#39) for the sole purpose of capitalistic enterprises. He knows the value of free enterprise, and would only gain more power and wealth if his country opened up. That is why he sends his economic advisors to the west for their educations. He is not economically stupid, and there are forces in NK besides KJI maneuvering the direction of the country.
A direct US presidential approach to KJI in Pyongyang would show him we are serious in our diplomacy. Up to this point, we have not shown him that we are serious, save for Clinton's feeble attempts.
Please understand I am not saying NK is the worker's paradise. I believe it to be one of the most restrictive, abhorrent governments in the world. However, the only way to open up such a government is via diplomatic efforts.
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jinju
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| KJI doesnt want a diplomatic solution. He doesnt want war either. he just doesnt want a solution where he gives up even a bit of power. he doesnt want to release people from his gulags. He doesnt want his people to know anything but what he tells them. You are seriously out of touch. KJI would have detonated the nuke no matter what Bush did. Actuall, thats wrong. Bush should have launched a massive strike on KJI instead of going into Iraq. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: re: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| KJI doesnt want a diplomatic solution. He doesnt want war either. he just doesnt want a solution where he gives up even a bit of power. he doesnt want to release people from his gulags. He doesnt want his people to know anything but what he tells them. You are seriously out of touch. KJI would have detonated the nuke no matter what Bush did. Actuall, thats wrong. Bush should have launched a massive strike on KJI instead of going into Iraq. |
If KJI is as desperate as you say, what do you think would have been the results of the massive attack you suggest? Would China have gotten involved? Japan? What would have become of the democratic SK? With the US track record in Iraq, I think the answer is obvious that a strike against NK would be disastrous. If you are truly concerned about the people in the gulags, and people in general, a strike seems the most inhumane route to go with NK.
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought all actions were amoral and those suffering in the gulags had chosen that life before being incarnated, so as to further their own karmic development? |
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seoulunitarian
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: re: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| I thought all actions were amoral and those suffering in the gulags had chosen that life before being incarnated, so as to further their own karmic development? |
They are and they have up to whatever point the actions are performed and the prisoners are released. Whoever releases them is following their own soul's karmic development in releasing them. In other words, whatever happens is due to the soul's previous choice prior to incarnation - whether that be imprisonment or freedom. Your're looking at the philosophy in too linear a fashion.
Besides, your reply is way off topic.
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jinju
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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seoulunitarian
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: re: |
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War is lunacy, dear friend.
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: Re: A North Korean Solution |
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| jinju wrote: |
| He has China in his corner, he owns the SK government..what he fears is going out Caucescu style. |
The South Korean goverment is in KJI's pocket huh? I don't believe that for a minute. |
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