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Am I Getting In Over My Head? - TOEFL

 
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Hopelessly Human



Joined: 03 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:37 am    Post subject: Am I Getting In Over My Head? - TOEFL Reply with quote

Hi,

I have just been offered a job that is pretty much exclusively teaching TOEFL now. This school normally only hires experienced teachers, but I have no teaching experience at all, only a TESOL certificate. And they know that. These are high level students, elementary to HS. I know the TOEFL is a pretty difficult test, even for native English speakers. Am I getting in over my head if I take this job?

Thank you
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hubba bubba



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edited due to drunkeness..
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Hopelessly Human



Joined: 03 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too bad I already saw what you wrote hubba bubba, you better have been WAAAAAY friken drunk. If I'd have taken you seriously I would have blown my brains out, it was that bad. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. At least you had the sense to pull it.
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mrd



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: fluorescent-filled paradise

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're probably aware since you took the course, but TOEFL material is really boring, and if you're working with high schoolers who already don't want to do any work to begin with, you're dealing with a super-painful day of classes.

I would prefer to teach non-TOEFL material to younger kids where I could spice things up and have some fun.
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Hopelessly Human



Joined: 03 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrd wrote:
You're probably aware since you took the course, but TOEFL material is really boring, and if you're working with high schoolers who already don't want to do any work to begin with, you're dealing with a super-painful day of classes.

I would prefer to teach non-TOEFL material to younger kids where I could spice things up and have some fun.


Actually our TESOL course never really went into the TOEFL. I've just heard--from this board--that it's a very difficult test.

Ahhh, maybe I'm making to much of it, and it's cake for a newbie to teach. My recruiter knew I had no experience when she offered me the school. They weren't strickly TOEFL before, I think they just started now. I just hope they cut me some slack in the beginning.
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Missile Command Kid



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the right books, it's not that painful to teach. It's a very tough test, you bet, and teaching TOEFL all the time would be very regimented. Higher level kids are a lot easier for a newbie to teach than kindies or low level mid/high schoolers. I'd say go for it, have the academy pick up a good set of books, and enjoy yourself!
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robot



Joined: 07 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's tough, but much easier than the SAT.

i actually enjoy teaching the iBT. even moreso now with the new changes.

quite a hard thing for a newbie to teach... if you want the kids to get anything out of the course, you'll really have to research it a bunch.

but definitely doable.

ROBT.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have taught TOEFL prep courses for a few years and if you don't have a firm background explaining grammar rules you will be in way over your head. The reason that many native speakers don't get perfect scores on the test is because the difficult questions in each section are not based on what sounds correct. Certain sentences sound correct to a native speaker but in fact are grammatically incorrect.

Can you clearly define what a subject adverbial clause is? Knowing grammar is one thing but explaining to someone who doesn't understand the language fluently is another. I am certain that if you have half a brain and learned anything in University that you can do it. However, you will have to spend a lot of your free time preparing and deeply understanding the material. I suggest going out and getting a book on the TOEFL and taking the prep test in the back. IF you score less than a 550, you shouldn't take the job. 580-600 without studying should be appropriate for native speakers. Good luck in whatever you decide.
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foystein



Joined: 02 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think it is a tough test for native speakers don't take the job. It isn't.
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Hopelessly Human



Joined: 03 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

foystein wrote:
If you think it is a tough test for native speakers don't take the job. It isn't.


I was going by what other people said about the test. Even a teacher from the school said it was difficult for native speakers.

Anyway, I'll go to the store and take a look at a TOEFL book and see what's up.

Thanks for the input everyone. Keep it coming until I've made a decision.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopelessly Human wrote:
foystein wrote:
If you think it is a tough test for native speakers don't take the job. It isn't.


I was going by what other people said about the test. Even a teacher from the school said it was difficult for native speakers.

Anyway, I'll go to the store and take a look at a TOEFL book and see what's up.

Thanks for the input everyone. Keep it coming until I've made a decision.


I would have thought that taking look at what a TOEFL test looks like would have been something you had done ALREADY. I mean like the same day you were offered the position.
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Hopelessly Human



Joined: 03 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:

I would have thought that taking look at what a TOEFL test looks like would have been something you had done ALREADY. I mean like the same day you were offered the position.


You are absolutely right. And I was aware that I should have, but I didn't for other reasons, and I'm going now.
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venus



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Near Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't listen to the nay sayers. Frankly speaking is being very extreme in his / her post. Any job takes a bit of settling into, not all of us are experts when we start them, but we get our bearings and learn as we go and that goes for ANY job.

Apart from the fact that the gig could be what you make of it, TOEFL isn't that bad.

I taught it once and the text book had lots of fun quizzes and exercises / comprehension exercises etc... You can also make games / quizzes\ etc to go alongside or reinforce the material.

It was nice to be teaching real grown up English for once. And the students (or their parents at least) will WANT to pass that test.

And if you go to Kyobo book store and pick up a few TOEFL activity books and TOEFL text books / guide books (something and Barren... or is it just called Barrens...? That was ACE) you will be able to read through and get well prepared with the material.

If you don;t like teaching baby Engish or elementary hakwan - lets go / up up and away... etc, and want to feel more like a real teacher, you might just quite like it.

Cool
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