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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:46 am    Post subject: The Great Wall of China Reply with quote

One of my Korean students might be going to China for her spring break. She wanted to walk from one end of the Great Wall to the other. According to her sociology textbook takes two days. Her friend laughed at this and said, "Korean textbooks are always wrong. I bet you it takes three days." So I looked it up online. One hiking company offers this hike for eleven days, which seems pretty quick to me.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow...that sounds like something I'd enjoy doing w/ my wife. However, I bet It's "tourist trap city" all along the way..I wonder if they have camp sites along the trek (like they have in Europe)....I'd want to camp it. I've never been too keen on traveling in China but, this has possibilities...a once in a lifetime thing hat would make for a great conversational topic back home at my parents dinner table!
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:38 am    Post subject: Re: The Great Wall of China Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
One of my Korean students might be going to China for her spring break. She wanted to walk from one end of the Great Wall to the other. According to her sociology textbook takes two days. Her friend laughed at this and said, "Korean textbooks are always wrong. I bet you it takes three days." So I looked it up online. One hiking company offers this hike for eleven days, which seems pretty quick to me.


11 days? That's a couple hundred miles, tops. I don't even need to look it up to know that's not the entire length of the GWoC.
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re:cursive



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's going to take a whole lot more than 2 days and unless things have changed since 2002 when I was there, you're not able to walk the whole length on the wall itself. Different sections are closed off. And yes a lot of it is filled with tourist traps. The part I went to outside of Beijing was a bit ridiculous. Once I made my way through the gauntlet of vendors trying to sell me souveniers and bought my ticket I was able to see the numerous chairlifts available to take you to the top. I was also able to see the steel tobogan ride that you could take to get down. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a rollercoaster there now. I didn't make use of any of these facilities and instead chose to walk up and down the original thousands of stairs to get to the top. Still it wasn't quite the experience I was expecting.

At the time I remember reading about a guy who walked the whole wall (well at least followed it's path through China). I can't remember the details but I do remember thinking that it took a whole lot of time. It's going to take a while to hike over all of that terrain.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: The Great Wall of China Reply with quote

huffdaddy wrote:

11 days? That's a couple hundred miles, tops. I don't even need to look it up to know that's not the entire length of the GWoC.


No, you're right. I think it sounds pretty short myself.

It's 6352 kilometers. I think it would take much much longer than eleven days.

But from what I can tell, you wouldn't really get much out of hiking the entire thing. Even eleven days would be a little too much.

Another student of mine, this one 40 years old, told me that you can see the Great Wall from the Moon. I'm not even sure you could see China that far out.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's over 6000 kilometres!

Good luck in walking it in even a month!!

Koreans are so unaware of how truly tiny their nation is.

I have a world map on my wall which makes new students angry and sad, "Oh it's so small!" they whine about their country.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, this is probably the best answer I can give now:

"a relatively healthy person could probably average roughly 35kms a day (8 hours of walking). Therefore it would take about 191 days � just over 6 months."

I'm looking for info on that guy who actually completed it.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

6352km divided by 48 hours of non-stop walking would require a speed of 132km per hour.

Must be the kimchi.
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Grimalkin



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:
6352km divided by 48 hours of non-stop walking would require a speed of 132km per hour.

Must be the kimchi.


I can just hear the "bali bali's!"
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SeoulShakin



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was there, I went to the same area the above poster described, with the chairlifts and the sled ride down. There are many areas that are closed off because they are not restored yet. We reached the end of one area, and came across a sign that read "please do not go any further". This was of course, a sign to tell us to continue Wink

We ended up at an area that hadn't been restored to look how it used to, and was crumbling and falling apart. It was actually one of the better parts of the journey for us, because it wasn't as touristy, and it really put its history into perspective. You could feel how old it was, just by standing there. I got pictures from both areas, so I could show the difference between what you see on travel channels, and what it looked like before they fixed it up. Some of my favourite pictures from Beijing. I guess sometimes breaking the rules have benefits.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: The Great Wall of China Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Another student of mine, this one 40 years old, told me that you can see the Great Wall from the Moon. I'm not even sure you could see China that far out.


God bless Wikipedia.

Quote:
Richard Halliburton's 1938 book Second Book of Marvels said the Great Wall is the only man-made object visible from the moon, and a Ripley's Believe It or Not! cartoon from the same decade makes a similar claim. This belief has persisted, assuming urban legend status, sometimes even entering school textbooks. Arthur Waldron, author of the most authoritative history of the Great Wall, has speculated that the belief might go back to the fascination with the "canals" once believed to exist on Mars. (The logic was simple: If people on Earth can see the Martians' canals, the Martians might be able to see the Great Wall.)

In fact, the Great Wall is only a few meters wide - similar in size to highways and airport runways - and is about the same color as the soil surrounding it. It cannot be seen by the unaided eye from the distance of the moon, much less from Mars. If the Great Wall were visible from the moon, it would be easy to see from near-Earth orbit, but from near-Earth orbit it is barely visible, and only under nearly perfect conditions; it is no more conspicuous than many other manmade objects.

Astronaut William Pogue thought he had seen it from Skylab but discovered he was actually looking at the Grand Canal of China near Beijing. He spotted the Great Wall with binoculars, but said that "it wasn't visible to the unaided eye." US Senator Jake Garn claimed to be able to see the Great Wall with the naked eye from a space shuttle orbit in the early 1980s, but his claim has been disputed by several US astronauts. Chinese astronaut Yang Liwei said he could not see it at all.


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HapKi



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition, the wall follows the contour of the mountains- beautiful from a distance but brutally aerobic up close. You've got the wall going straight up an incline, with stone steps 2- 3 feet each in height. Walking like that gets old very quickly.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: The Great Wall of China Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
One of my Korean students might be going to China for her spring break. She wanted to walk from one end of the Great Wall to the other. According to her sociology textbook takes two days. Her friend laughed at this and said, "Korean textbooks are always wrong. I bet you it takes three days." So I looked it up online. One hiking company offers this hike for eleven days, which seems pretty quick to me.


If it only took 2 days, it wouldn't be called the "Great Wall of China". It would just be called the "Wall of China".
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antoniothegreat



Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Wall of China Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
One of my Korean students might be going to China for her spring break. She wanted to walk from one end of the Great Wall to the other. According to her sociology textbook takes two days. Her friend laughed at this and said, "Korean textbooks are always wrong. I bet you it takes three days." So I looked it up online. One hiking company offers this hike for eleven days, which seems pretty quick to me.


If it only took 2 days, it wouldn't be called the "Great Wall of China". It would just be called the "Wall of China".


no no, it would the "The Wall of Beijing"
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to see a very small segment of the Great Wall several years ago. It was brutally overwhelming. Shocked Shocked Shocked A must-see.
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