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aquavelvetelvis
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: blatant racism at school |
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just thought i'd point out a korean website which is racist and deserves your phone call.
the company is cyenglish language institute in seoul (http://www.cyjenglish.com/). they have the following posted on their site:
The reasons Native Speakers are not hired:
1. Most are only short-term visitors and, therefore, lack a sense of responsibility and duty.
2. They have no concept of teaching and, therefore, have absolutely no sense of duty or professionalism.
3. They are untrained in education.
4. They are absolutely not high-quality personnel (most graduate from no-name technical schools and 2-year colleges.
5. It is impossible to check what kinds of people they are or what their characters are (ex. drug user, homosexual, convict, AIDS patient, sex offender).
6. They only just barely teach their classes and do not invest any time in managing students.
7. They have no burning passion for the students.
8. They do not agonize at all over improving the student�s skills.
9. Legitimate native speakers are rare.
10. It is impossible for parents to easily consult with them anytime they want.
i recommend giving them a call to let them know that this is not appropriate. their number is 02-2604-2325.
you can read more about this issue at: http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2006/12/a_thought_exper.html |
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Kimchi Cha Cha

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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This has already been discussed here on a couple of threads. What I find interesting, however, is that this was exposed several weeks back now and no doubt they've already received some complaints but their rules still are proudly displaced on their website.
I find it very disingenuous and self-serving at the very least that the majority of their staff are either Kyopo or received their education in the West but at the same time they have no qualms about working for an employer who openly displays prejudice against Westerners. |
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Pak Yu Man

Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Location: The Ida galaxy
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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1) they are right there.
2) Nor do Korean 'schools' give any sort of teacher training.
3) So are Korean 'English' teachers.
4)They are stupid. It takes a 4 year degree to get a VISA.
5)Sure they can. Ask for a background check and a blood test prior to employment. Again they are to stoopid to figure this out.
5b) Soju addict is ok though. If you beat the shiat of the kids...that's also acceptable.
6) So says someone from the country rated last in efficiency, with a horrible education system.
7)Burning passion=pedophile Then again it's ok for a HS teacher to marry his ex-student 3 or 4 years later...sicko.
Students don't agonize over how painful teaching them is.
9) Uh huh. There are only millions of us everywhere.
I have a dad.....what exactly are you saying?
10) Because like their children...they don't speak English. That's what the boss is for...er wait the boss can't speak English either. That's what the K=teachers are fo...er wait.....
We need to stop beating a dead horse. Everyone knows a good school needs a whitey. Preferably tall and blond. |
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rawiri

Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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From that dudes blog-
The reasons Koreans make bad teachers:
They have no sense of morality, since they take cash bribes and inappropriate presents from parents.
They have no concept of teaching, since they merely teach rote memorization and often do very little original teaching during class.
They often drink during school hours (especially lunch) and frequently sleep at their desks.
They often engage in inappropriate sexual relations with minors, especially male teachers drinking with female students in hotel rooms on school trips.
They serially rape their students and even when caught are merely given administrative leave.
Male college professors are known to exchange higher grades for sexual favors.
Male college professors actively and publicly sexually harass their female students.
Korean teachers care more about appearing to always have the right answer than exploring a question deeply, to the point that challenges their own knowledge set.
Korean teachers regularly take money to changes class rankings such that certain students will come out on top.
Korean teachers are habitually embarrassed to speak English in class, such that their students are embarrassed to speak as well, despite having developed a strong grammar and vocabulary base.
Korean teachers (male) regularly travel to Thailand and the Phillipines to have sex with underaged girls and are hidden carriers of all kinds of diseases, including HIV and Hepatitis C, which the Korean Center for Disease Control has said is a dangerous hidden social problem, something far worse than that posed by Westerners, who actually tend to use condoms.
* I want to specify that the above applies to only some Koreans.
How can we mail this to that site?
I have a mind to ring them but it's pointless really. |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Essentially, foreign teachers are in high demand everywhere in Korea. However, many hagwons are unable to get a foreign teacher. Parents want their children exposed to foriegn teachers so what does a hagwon do if they can't get one? They make up lies.
As always, there are good and bad within every group. I've met a lot of genuine and great foriegn teachers and some real scumbags. I'm met some great Kyopo teachers and some scumbags. I'm met some great Korean hagwon teachers and some scumbags.
nuff said. |
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Nemesis

Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: blatant racism at school |
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| aquavelvetelvis wrote: |
just thought i'd point out a korean website which is racist and deserves your phone call.
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Man, this is getting out of hand. I mean, I can overlook the longstanding no blacks policy. Geez, even if you're not black, but have, like, darker-than-porcelain skin or something (like me), that's pretty creepy, too. No need for that kind of trash in a hagwon.
But when you start dissing whites, man, that's waaaay over the line...
Your people have suffered long enough.
Revolution, baby! |
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Nemesis

Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimchi Cha Cha wrote: |
| ...but at the same time they have no qualms about working for an employer who openly displays prejudice against Westerners. |
Which Korean employer doesn't display blatant racism against (non-white) Westerners?
I've got a couple of extra qualms kicking about somewhere, if you want to borrow them... |
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Kimchi Cha Cha

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Nemesis wrote: |
| Kimchi Cha Cha wrote: |
| ...but at the same time they have no qualms about working for an employer who openly displays prejudice against Westerners. |
Which Korean employer doesn't display blatant racism against (non-white) Westerners?
I've got a couple of extra qualms kicking about somewhere, if you want to borrow them... |
Korean employers are indeed racist and especially toward non-white foreigners. A lot of English teachers are here largely due to their skin pigmentation whereas non-white English teachers with the same or often better qualifications often have a difficult or impossible time finding a job here.
As Caucasian English teachers, although having our fair share of annoyances, we really do have it very easy compared to non-white foreigners in Korea. The point I was trying to make is that most of these individuals working at the school are in the position they are (teaching English at the hagwon) thanks to their education in the West. Yet, they have no problem working for a school who completely rubbishes the same group of people (Westerners) who helped them reach where they are today.
It's like a Korean going to India to learn and study textiles. Then, coming back to Korea and opening a textile factory, and rubbishing the Indian textile industry which enabled him to get to the position he is today.
It's sad but sadly predictable often here these days. People seem to use any angle they can market themselves in a positive light. The sad part is it seems it must work, the school seems quite large and profitable. I guess a lot of parents follow their philosophy. |
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Nemesis

Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimchi Cha Cha wrote: |
As Caucasian English teachers, although having our fair share of annoyances, we really do have it very easy compared to non-white foreigners in Korea. The point I was trying to make is that most of these individuals working at the school are in the position they are (teaching English at the hagwon) thanks to their education in the West. Yet, they have no problem working for a school who completely rubbishes the same group of people (Westerners) who helped them reach where they are today.
It's like a Korean going to India to learn and study textiles. Then, coming back to Korea and opening a textile factory, and rubbishing the Indian textile industry which enabled him to get to the position he is today.
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Ah, well, that makes sense. Cheers for the clarification. |
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doggyji

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimchi Cha Cha wrote: |
As Caucasian English teachers, although having our fair share of annoyances, we really do have it very easy compared to non-white foreigners in Korea. The point I was trying to make is that most of these individuals working at the school are in the position they are (teaching English at the hagwon) thanks to their education in the West. Yet, they have no problem working for a school who completely rubbishes the same group of people (Westerners) who helped them reach where they are today.
It's like a Korean going to India to learn and study textiles. Then, coming back to Korea and opening a textile factory, and rubbishing the Indian textile industry which enabled him to get to the position he is today. |
Different. Apparently, they are not rubbishing the whole west but lumping those "losers who can't get a job back home and come to an Asian country." It's even sick to type this as there are so many great people in the expat group but still let's make a distinction. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| as sad as recruitment agencies run by foreigners who advertise white-only job postings. |
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Nemesis

Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Well, if you've got a sweet gig at KFC HQ in Switzerland, with loads of perks, and then one day, you suddenly receive shocking info about how brutally they slaughter billions of chickens every year...
... but you had no fallback options lined up at that time...
... would you quit on the spot, out of moral indignation? Complicated...
It's still crap and all that and it exposes Koreans at the core as backwater buffoons, so it seems like a good thing to talk about.
Apparently, there's a homegrown movement afoot to change Korea's motto from "Hub of Asia" to "Asia's butthole". They use backwards examples like their clumsy racism as fuel for their cause. They've got fliers in most supermarkets around the world. Well... England, Canada, and the US, mainly. Some places in New Zealand. But none in South Africa, because those whites are just the same as blacks. Monkeys. Each and every one of them.
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