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Wikipedia: Education in Korea

 
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Wikipedia: Education in Korea Reply with quote

There's a Wiki page called "Education in Korea" that reviews the history, the present, the students, the teachers, the schools, hagwonism, etc.

How about adding a section on the situation of English teaching in Korea? It couldn't / shouldn't be a rant, but rather a logical write up, with references to articles ( "'Calling, Mr. Real Reality" ), etc.

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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my first edit.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Wikipedia: Education in Korea Reply with quote

charlieDD wrote:

How about adding a section on the situation of English teaching in Korea? It couldn't / shouldn't be a rant, but rather a logical write up, with references to articles ( "'Calling, Mr. Real Reality" ), etc.

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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mith,

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While also employing other Caucasian English speakers (British, Irish, South African, Australians, and New Zealanders) at academies and institutes their differently accented English is viewed to be sub-standard throughout Asia as compared to American spoken English, considered to be the standard for the language in South Korea.


That is patently untrue. It may be the case in some places, but not all.
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true for Korean ajummas whose aim is for their children to study in the U.S. and that's about it.

Unless Hugh Grant becomes popular again,then it'll swing back the other way.

They have no clear idea what they want.I ignore requests to speak like an American and I regard with scorn those who adopt a North American accent just to please some old moo in a leisure suit.
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
Mith,

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While also employing other Caucasian English speakers (British, Irish, South African, Australians, and New Zealanders) at academies and institutes their differently accented English is viewed to be sub-standard throughout Asia as compared to American spoken English, considered to be the standard for the language in South Korea.


That is patently untrue. It may be the case in some places, but not all.


Yeah, now that TOEIC uses people from other countries, such as the UK, Koreans are realising that they need to broaden their horizons and not view non-American accents as sub-standard. However, kid-hagwons usually still prefer American accents. Adult hagwons, such as YBM, usually realise the importance of having teachers from various countries.
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root555



Joined: 09 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I have found that it is true that Koreans prefer the American accent over others. I have a New Zealand friend who is forced to fake an American accent at his job- because they don't want him speaking Kiwi to his kids. They basically forbade him to not alter the way he speaks. Now when we see him, he speaks in Kiwi and American- and says all of this leaves him very very confused.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Students should be exposed to as many accents as possible. Especially to non native English speakers. Whenever I'm at an airport I often see two people from non English speaking countries using English to communicate. This can be a Chinese person going through Japanese immigration or a Spaniard in Norway. As a common second language studying English should involve exposure to as many non native accents as possible.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
Mith,

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While also employing other Caucasian English speakers (British, Irish, South African, Australians, and New Zealanders) at academies and institutes their differently accented English is viewed to be sub-standard throughout Asia as compared to American spoken English, considered to be the standard for the language in South Korea.


That is patently untrue. It may be the case in some places, but not all.


Okay, but I didn't write that part. Only the part in red was changed by me.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that to be, on the whole, a very poor encyclopaedia entry. It's missing a lot and tends to focus too much on some points at the expense of others.

Some of it is also just plain inaccurate.

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The Korean saying "Sleep five hours and fail, sleep four hours and pass" is taken seriously; for three years students typically begin school at 6 a.m. and finish at midnight; some students finish at 10 p.m. and go to hagwons until midnight or 1 a.m.. Students can forgo the 6 p.m. to midnight classes and self-study sessions but only with permission from both their parents and their homeroom teacher, and few bother to ask. The schedule lasts seven days a week and is rigorous even during periods of nominal vacation.


It's bad but it's not that bad. At very few, if any, high schools do 1st and 2nd grade students stay that late. Staying until 11pm or 12am is usually only for 3rd grade university-tracked students. Furthermore, most vocational and technical students don't have evening classes / doksa-sil

No doubt there are big problems with the treatment of students at Korean schools, but the '8.1 Treatment of Students' section makes it look much worse than it actually is.

The entry looks like it was written by someone with a lot of first-hand knowledge of some things and absolutely no first-hand knowledge of others.
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