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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: L.A. Gangs out of control |
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Slayings Lead L.A. to Vow Gang Crackdown
LOS ANGELES (AP) - A 14-year-old girl was killed by Hispanic gang members who police say were targeting blacks. A 9-year-old girl died after being hit by a stray bullet as gang members exchanged shots near her home. A cop was wounded in a gunbattle with a suspected gangster.
The soaring violence is prompting police and politicians to promise one of the toughest crackdowns against gangs in city history.
``This is the monster, this is what drives people's fears,'' said Deputy Chief Charles Beck, who oversees a South Los Angeles district where gang-related crime jumped 24 percent during the year ending in November.
However, the effort has met skepticism in the city that has an estimated 700 gangs with 40,000 members - about four for every police officer - and that gave birth to some of the nation's most notorious gangs, including the Crips, Bloods and Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13.
``It's too big, it's too entrenched, it's too intimately connected with the urban setup here,'' Malcolm Klein, a gang expert at the University of Southern California, said of the gang problem. ``You can reduce it. But the idea you can somehow eliminate it is ridiculous.'' |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6361879,00.html
America is developing several third world cities. Miami and L.A. are the two most bold examples of the 'war on drugs' and a failed immigration system.
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� In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens. |
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
My opinion, they need to legalize and regulate all drugs. Now. Additionally, heavy fines must be applied to those firms who employ illegal workers. Lastly, a "guest worker" program, similar to the one that Alberta is using to bring in Chinese welders, is needed.
In other words, those working need to be brought into the formal economy and the formal economy must extend to drugs. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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We're spending literally trillions of dollars fighting insurgents in Iraq. How much have we been willing to spend to fight these far more dangerous insurgents in our own nation?
Peanuts.
For all the Bush-mongered hysteria over "terror", gang-affiliated criminals have caused far more deaths of Americans as well as made our inner cities as dangerous to decent Americans as Baghdad outside the "Green Zone".
Yet, for all the National Guardsmen we ship to Iraq, we can't spare any to keep the peace in the U.S.
One more reason why Bush is the hands-down worst president we've ever been cursed with. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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I agree dogbert.
I do think that this is going to change. Or, should I say hope it is going to change? The democrats are better on public policy, foreign policy and well, not fucking up the country. The crazy Christians and bizarre "conservatives" have had their time and it is time for them to go away. They simply stunt the legislative process with their scare tactics (Mexicans are overrunning our country!) and obsessions with messages (what message does it send to our kids to let coke be legal?).
Iraq is a mess, but the biggest mess is that under the watchful eye of that fool Bush and his idiotic cronies, America lost a CITY! New Orleans is STILL a mess. How does the New Roman Empire sacrifice an entire city? How is it that Bush isn't pushed on this every day?
Oh, I forgot, the democratic "activists" are busy "proving" that Bush was behind 9/11. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Location: Nearly in NK
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Put a no questions asked bounty on the suckers. |
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thepeel
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Which suckers? The ones selling coke and shooting up the streets of LA or the ones letting a city die, shotting up Iraq and selling guns to the whole bloody world?
Which suckers? |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Location: Nearly in NK
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I was thinking those selling coke and such on the streets. No redeeming social value there. No one is letting the city die, except those that won't take positive action on the bad guys.
You sound like a nice liberal fellow Canadian! |
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seoulshock
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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A little over 10 years ago, I was almost killed by MS-13 gang members, while walking out of a liquor store -- Once I saw that gun coming out of that car window, I hit the floor. The target was a rival gang member who happened to be standing at the entrance. After I got up -- there it was, my first time seeing a freshly dead body. |
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thepeel
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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contrarian wrote: |
I was thinking those selling coke and such on the streets. No redeeming social value there. No one is letting the city die, except those that won't take positive action on the bad guys.
You sound like a nice liberal fellow Canadian! |
I am from Alberta and I am a liberal. I'll point you to Hayek.
http://www.fahayek.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46 |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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seoulshock wrote: |
A little over 10 years ago, I was almost killed by MS-13 gang members, while walking out of a liquor store -- Once I saw that gun coming out of that car window, I hit the floor. The target was a rival gang member who happened to be standing at the entrance. After I got up -- there it was, my first time seeing a freshly dead body. |
I'm glad you were not hurt.
That is exactly what I'm talking about. For those who may not know, "MS 13" is a gang made up primarily of Central Americans in the U.S. It is an especially vicious group of little shts.
There is no difference between the activity you describe and what we're battling in Iraq now. The only difference is that we're not doing jack about it in the U.S.
We need to send the guard into the neighborhoods ruled by these gangs and issue shoot to kill orders -- local law enforcement know who the leaders and members are. Or we should do what has been tried elsewhere and hold their families for "safekeeping" as an incentive for them to surrender themselves to law enforcement.
I really wonder sometimes just how much decent Americans are willing to put up with until we take action. |
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thepeel
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Dogbert,
While I sympathize with your frustration, declaring a kind of martial law in poor neighborhoods will not address the root causes of this violence. Firstly, the war on drugs IS the second civil war. Secondly, the immigration situation is a massive problem and the whole policy needs an overhaul.
I'm in the very early stages of immigrating to the USA. It is a really long, drawn out process. I find it very frustrating that those who are bringing in-demand skills that will benefit the economy are made to go through this process while those who won't benefit the economy (the day laborers from Mexico without documentation) just cross the border. Sanity must be brought to the system. Right now, the incentive structure is backwards. People like me are starting to look for other more friendly places and unskilled workers just freely break the law.
The whole thing is broke. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with you. We need to legalize drugs and restrict immigration as good first steps.
In the meantime, however, these criminal minorities have figured out how hobbled law enforcement is and need to be stopped now from taking advantage of our weaknesses. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Location: Nearly in NK
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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BJWD:
Try to find a job under NAFTA. |
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thepeel
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Contarian,
Actually, that is one of my choices. Still a process. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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I'm in the very early stages of immigrating to the USA. |
You are just trolling me, aren't you? |
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thepeel
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately for you, no. With my masters in economics and the second one in finance in addition to the CFA designation, NYC is the place for me (maybe Miami). But I wouldn't worry about it, eh, yu'll be dead in the ground from old age not long after I start converting your countrymen to my position that their culture is better than islamic culture. |
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