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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: An Example of a Hagwon; Teacher Trafficking? |
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Is this the hagwon from hell?
"I was being screamed at and threatened by the director."
In tears, the teacher called the police....
The complaints and accusations range from tax fraud associated with the "After School" program, forging teachers' signatures on fake contracts, failing to provide promised or adequate accommodation, non-payment of salary, forcing teachers to work in locations other than the one on their visa, illegal contracting out, and threatening behavior. The list is long and very disturbing. Teachers have told us about multiple visits to immigration, the Labor Department, and the police.
By Chris Gelken, The Korea Herald (January 3, 2007)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/01/03/200701030018.asp
Trafficking of English Teachers?
By Chris Brockie, Korea Times (March 17, 2006)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200603/kt2006031716054754060.htm |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: Re: An Example of a Hagwon; Teacher Trafficking? |
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| It's nice to see the Korea Herald publicizing this information and doing that research. I wonder if the same stories are run in Korean language papers? |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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The Herald will go after a small hogwan without addressing the problems at various Herald hogwans.  |
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khreporter
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: Herald Hogwans |
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| Show me evidence then... |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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seoulsista
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Herald Hogwans |
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| khreporter wrote: |
| Show me evidence then... |
Why do you routinely come on this board putting the onus on random posters to prove claims about hagwons like the Herald chain? Why don't you try hitting the search button at the top of the page or googling a blacklist search for the Korea Herald chain? You will find dozens of negative posts which you can in turn investigate and prove if you care to do so.
This is not a court. The posters here are not prosecutors. You are neither judge or dury and no one has to "prove" anything to you. If you sincerely wanted to find proof you can easily do it on your own.
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seoulsista
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Herald Hogwans |
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You beat me by seconds. Damn you, YBS!!! |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Herald Hogwans |
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| seoulsista wrote: |
You beat me by seconds. Damn you, YBS!!! |
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| Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:18 pm |
I beat you by two whole minutes. 
You do have to wonder why a professional reporter would have to ask for help with such elementary research skills, don't you? |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Herald Hogwans |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
You do have to wonder why a professional reporter would have to ask for help with such elementary research skills, don't you? |
Give the guy a break! He does work for the Korean Herald: I'm sure the training is much like the training given to teachers in most hagwons -"You're native reporter. writing article is easy for you." |
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khreporter
Joined: 22 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: to seoulsista |
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Your comments are valid and I accept them. That said, you have to understand the time and staffing limitations placed on news gathering organizations world wide - not just The Korea Herald.
Newspapers and broadcasters are increasingly attempting to engage the general public - get them involved in the news gathering process. I-Report on CNN is a classic example. The general public not only provide back-up on breaking stories, they provide leads. A significant amount of what the public provides actually makes it into the broadcast.
(I have mixed feelings about encouraging "civilians" to take risks that journalists are paid for - but that's another story).
Please do not interpret this as journalists being lazy or lacking the initiative to conduct investigations.
When it comes to the ESL/EFL sector - what better source for stories and information than teachers themselves.
Responding to your comments regarding proof and evidence etc. We receive several complaints about schools/hagwons. A search may throw up another old complaint - such as the thread posted here on dave's, which dates back to 2003.
I will read it through thoroughly - and thank you for the link.
However, we cannot rush into print simply based on an email from a disgruntled teacher or a posting on dave's - but we can ask posters to supply us with more information that will allow a thorough investigation.
It is rather simple really - if you want to know about something - go to the source, go to the experts, the people involved. And in this case, this is you. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Herald Hogwans |
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| babtangee wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
You do have to wonder why a professional reporter would have to ask for help with such elementary research skills, don't you? |
Give the guy a break! He does work for the Korean Herald: I'm sure the training is much like the training given to teachers in most hagwons -"You're native reporter. writing article is easy for you." |
I can just see the ad:
"Good newspaper in Korea looking for a native English-speaking reporter!
Qualifcations: Bachelor's degree in any field" |
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seoulsista
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: to seoulsista |
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| khreporter wrote: |
Your comments are valid and I accept them. That said, you have to understand the time and staffing limitations placed on news gathering organizations world wide - not just The Korea Herald.
Newspapers and broadcasters are increasingly attempting to engage the general public - get them involved in the news gathering process. I-Report on CNN is a classic example. The general public not only provide back-up on breaking stories, they provide leads. A significant amount of what the public provides actually makes it into the broadcast.
(I have mixed feelings about encouraging "civilians" to take risks that journalists are paid for - but that's another story).
Please do not interpret this as journalists being lazy or lacking the initiative to conduct investigations.
When it comes to the ESL/EFL sector - what better source for stories and information than teachers themselves.
Responding to your comments regarding proof and evidence etc. We receive several complaints about schools/hagwons. A search may throw up another old complaint - such as the thread posted here on dave's, which dates back to 2003.
I will read it through thoroughly - and thank you for the link.
However, we cannot rush into print simply based on an email from a disgruntled teacher or a posting on dave's - but we can ask posters to supply us with more information that will allow a thorough investigation.
It is rather simple really - if you want to know about something - go to the source, go to the experts, the people involved. And in this case, this is you. |
So you were trying to "engage the public" when you said "prove it." Well, you may be understaffed and without resources but if you are looking for support you may want to try a less antagonistic approach.
If you are trully putting out a call for information start a new thread. Tell people what types of information you need and promise them some sort of anonimity and I'm sure you will find plenty of information on Korea Herald schools and many, many others. |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Herald Hogwans |
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| babtangee wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
You do have to wonder why a professional reporter would have to ask for help with such elementary research skills, don't you? |
Give the guy a break! He does work for the Korean Herald: I'm sure the training is much like the training given to teachers in most hagwons -"You're native reporter. writing article is easy for you." |
Ahahah!!! nice! |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: Re: An Example of a Hagwon; Teacher Trafficking? |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Is this the hagwon from hell?
"I was being screamed at and threatened by the director."
In tears, the teacher called the police....
The complaints and accusations range from tax fraud associated with the "After School" program, forging teachers' signatures on fake contracts, failing to provide promised or adequate accommodation, non-payment of salary, forcing teachers to work in locations other than the one on their visa, illegal contracting out, and threatening behavior. The list is long and very disturbing. Teachers have told us about multiple visits to immigration, the Labor Department, and the police.
By Chris Gelken, The Korea Herald (January 3, 2007)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/01/03/200701030018.asp
Trafficking of English Teachers?
By Chris Brockie, Korea Times (March 17, 2006)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200603/kt2006031716054754060.htm |
Hmm, by the way, didn't someone make a thread a few days ago comparing being an English teacher and being a prostitute? This only adds to that, in my opinion |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Someone emailed this article to me because I was on a email list of native speaking teachers.
I don't make it a habit to read The Korean Herald (I usually by the International Herald Tribune or the Korea Times) since some of the stories they've published in the past have been so negative toward English teachers.
This article is quite shocking though, not only because they printed it, but also because of the fact that there are so many twists and turns in the story. I believe hagwon owners like the one mentioned will continue to screw over foreigners and continue to get away with it. |
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