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jangsalgida
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:07 am Post subject: Grammar Q's |
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Put the verb in parentheses into the appropriate form
We come across some _______ situations in this job(disturb).
Why is it disturbing as opposed to disturbed?
Clients often turn up with one problem ________ what the real problem is(disguise).
Why is it disguising as to disguised?
Thank you in advance! |
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Neo
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Ah, yes - this is a common hangup with EFL learners.
The cause of the verb is _ing.
The recipient is _ed.
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We come across some _______ situations in this job(disturb).
Why is it disturbing as opposed to disturbed? |
It is the situations that cause the disturbance, so they are disturbing.
"We" are the recipients of disturbance, so we are disturbed.
The best explanation I've stumbled across for the classroom is this:
I draw a picture on the board, with me in the middle, sun top left, girl top right, sleeping and crying students at the bottom.
Arrow from sun to me, with text
"The sun is burning, so Neo is burned"
Arrow from girl to me, with text
"Neo's wife is amazing, so Neo is amazed"
Arrow from me to students, with text
"Neo is boring, so the students are bored"
Hope this helps |
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jangsalgida
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Neo wrote: |
Ah, yes - this is a common hangup with EFL learners.
The cause of the verb is _ing.
The recipient is _ed.
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We come across some _______ situations in this job(disturb).
Why is it disturbing as opposed to disturbed? |
It is the situations that cause the disturbance, so they are disturbing.
"We" are the recipients of disturbance, so we are disturbed.
The best explanation I've stumbled across for the classroom is this:
I draw a picture on the board, with me in the middle, sun top left, girl top right, sleeping and crying students at the bottom.
Arrow from sun to me, with text
"The sun is burning, so Neo is burned"
Arrow from girl to me, with text
"Neo's wife is amazing, so Neo is amazed"
Arrow from me to students, with text
"Neo is boring, so the students are bored"
Hope this helps |
Okay, but what do you mean "with text?" |
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jay-shi
Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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I think he means:
Arrow from sun to me, with this text written on the board: "The sun is burning, so Neo is burned"
I think it's a great way to get it across. |
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jangsalgida
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| jay-shi wrote: |
I think he means:
Arrow from sun to me, with this text written on the board: "The sun is burning, so Neo is burned"
I think it's a great way to get it across. |
Thank you! I now know what "text" means.
I also had it explained to me another way well in person from an English/Native speaker. It sounds somewhat incomplete(not surprisingly from a co-worker) but here it goes...
"Well, uhh, "disguising" and "disguised" have 2 different meanings."
What I gathered from that(right or wrong?) was the tense isn't really important? And, that I can ask the student if they have tried looking up the meaning of the word in the dictionary, if they haven't they should try to do so?
I would still like the 2nd question/example picked apart from my original post, if possible?
Thanks again to you both/anyone!!! |
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Neo
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| I would still like the 2nd question/example picked apart from my original post, if possible? |
Well, it works the same way.
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Clients often turn up with one problem ________ what the real problem is(disguise).
Why is it disguising as to disguised? |
"one problem" is the cause of the disguise, so it is "disguising"
"the real problem" is the recipient of the disguise, so it is "disguised"
If this sentence were put into the passive voice, it would go:
"The real problem is disguised by the one problem that the clients often turn up with."
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| What I gathered from that(right or wrong?) was the tense isn't really important? And, that I can ask the student if they have tried looking up the meaning of the word in the dictionary, if they haven't they should try to do so? |
They are both the same tense (simple present).
I think you should start with basic grammar - look up "subject", "object", and "verb tense". |
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rockstarsmooth
Joined: 01 Aug 2006
Location: anyang, baybee!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Neo wrote: |
I think you should start with basic grammar - look up "subject", "object", and "verb tense". |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| -ing is continuous. Something is ongoing, even in the past. Adding -ed means it happened and ended. |
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Neo
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| -ing is continuous. Something is ongoing, even in the past. Adding -ed means it happened and ended. |
Are you arguing that
"Clients often turn up with one problem disguising what the real problem is."
is a continuous form, and that
"The real problem is disguised by the one problem that the clients often turn up with."
is a past form?
One of us is missing something. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Neo wrote: |
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| -ing is continuous. Something is ongoing, even in the past. Adding -ed means it happened and ended. |
Are you arguing that
"Clients often turn up with one problem disguising what the real problem is."
is a continuous form, and that
"The real problem is disguised by the one problem that the clients often turn up with."
is a past form?
One of us is missing something. |
Disguise is like clothe or wrap. The action happens, ends, but has a continuous effect. You can use either with nearly the same meaning.
He wrapped himself in the flag.
He was wrapping himself in the flag.
Your real problem was wrapping yourself in the flag.
Your real problem was you were wrapped in the flag. |
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Neo
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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You quoted my question without answering it.
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Disguise is like clothe or wrap. The action happens, ends, but has a continuous effect. You can use either with nearly the same meaning.
He wrapped himself in the flag.
He was wrapping himself in the flag. |
"He wrapped himself in the flag." is simple past
"He was wrapping himself in the flag." is past continuous
"Clients often turn up with one problem disguising what the real problem is." is simple present
"The real problem is disguised by the one problem that the clients often turn up with." is simple present
adding -ing and -ed to "disguise" here is not conjugating a verb.
I suggest some basic grammar - look up "participles" |
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