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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Don't dare challenge Korean's... update, Foreign Prof let go Reply with quote

Dare to research the facts behind takeshima/dokdo like
Gary Bevers did and get censored by your school
and threatened by netizens.

http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=416

I really hope he continues his research and writes a book
about his findings. In saying that, who knows what the
negative repercussions would be from Koreans if he did so?


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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He said that he was worried about the school�s reputation.

The president suggested that if I have strong opinions on the subject, I should write about it in an academic paper or hold a seminar rather than broadcasting it over the Internet.


Is that such an awful compromise?
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Satori



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't say I blame the uni for wanting him to stop. This is probably less about censoring opinions the uni it's self dissagrees with, and more about protecting the uni from threats or even actions by the netizens.
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Mashimaro



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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He said that he was worried about the school�s reputation.

The president suggested that if I have strong opinions on the subject, I should write about it in an academic paper or hold a seminar rather than broadcasting it over the Internet.


Is that such an awful compromise?


Why is there any need for a compromise at all?
The point is not the medium, it's the fact that his view's do
not fall in line with that of Koreans.

If he were to say Dokdo belonged to Korea, the medium used to convey that view would be of no significance to any Korean.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
I can't say I blame the uni for wanting him to stop. This is probably less about censoring opinions the uni it's self dissagrees with, and more about protecting the uni from threats or even actions by the netizens.


But what is a university if not an institution of higher learning? Netizens be damned, I say. Let knowledge reign supreme over nearly everyone.

Note: This does not mean I support the Japanese claim to Takeshima/Dokdo. Nor does it mean I care.
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:
Satori wrote:
I can't say I blame the uni for wanting him to stop. This is probably less about censoring opinions the uni it's self dissagrees with, and more about protecting the uni from threats or even actions by the netizens.


But what is a university if not an institution of higher learning? Netizens be damned, I say. Let knowledge reign supreme over nearly everyone.

Note: This does not mean I support the Japanese claim to Takeshima/Dokdo. Nor does it mean I care.

Saved me the keystrokes. That guy isn't teaching Korean history there, is he? That university, or any other Korean institution so frightened of free speech and open debate, and so afraid to say boo to the k-netizen goose, forfeits the right to the title. They ought to step forward and issue a formal confession that Korea's just faking it. Hub of Asia my... no actually, they do indeed personify some of the least attractive of Asian values.


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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is there any need for a compromise at all?


I can't think of a lot of jobs anywhere that would be all that happy about a non-expert spouting inflamatory opinions on a controversial topic that could cost the employer.

If the guy is really serious about informing the world of his thoughts on this topic, he should write an academic paper, get it published, then post it on the internet. Or just change jobs. I doubt very many middle school hakwon students would be all that aware of what their teacher posts in a foreign language.

(I would feel differently about this if the guy had academic standing in the field.)


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twg



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mashimaro wrote:
Why is there any need for a compromise at all?

Rent
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Satori



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know a lot about rent, don't you William...
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's messed up, and indicative of one of the underlying problems with Korea's power structure.

In Korea, it should be very easy to track people down on the Internet. All the user names on Naver have Korean ID #s attached to them. Instead of punishing Gerry, they should go after these wannabe thugs who harass others and try to get them fired for voicing an opinion on the Internet. It would be very easy to track them down, contact them via phone, and listen to them melt down when a university dean or chairperson calls them up and gives them an earful.

But noooo..

Just bow down to the jackass cyberstalkers.

Really disgusting.
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lastat06513



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most people know how I feel on the matter of Korean history- I wrote a thread once about Korea's history of alliances and interdependencies to survive.

But in this case, I feel that what all 3 countries in NE Asia are doing is just riling each other up for the sake of nationalist pride in which there are no angels, neither Korea nor Japan.

Whichever names the islands go by should be resolved by dialogue not by rhetoric and confrontation.

Save that belligerence for dealing with the North Koreans Wink
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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He said that he was worried about the school�s reputation.

The president suggested that if I have strong opinions on the subject, I should write about it in an academic paper or hold a seminar rather than broadcasting it over the Internet.


Is that such an awful compromise?


If Gerry had posted, like others, in favor of Korea's position on Dokdo, do you think that would have been the president's suggestion?

Do you think Mark Lovmo is any kind of serious academic?
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a professor back in the U.S. who had controversial views on 9/11 and politicians were demanding that he get fired and so were others. And that was in North America. Korea is definitely less liberal than the U.S., but you do have some limitations on academics out there.
I remember there was a defamation campaign against the replacing of Edward Said's replacement in Columbia who was of a similar background as Said, and all kinds of rumours were flying out there against him that were not true. He did end up getting the post. If you tried to heavily criticize certain prevailing attitudes regarding war say 3 years ago, you would possibly be under seige, career wise. Many times when people criticize Korea heavily, they do have a point, but they also seem to not see the baggage in their neck of the woods as well. Things are not as rosy as they should be.
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Smee



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not about expressing an opinion. It's about expressing the wrong opinion. You can't "argue" the Liancourt Rocks with the general Korean populace.

His is a well-researched stance, moreso than any "Dokdo is Korea's Land" article I've ever seen.

He's written some very informative pieces on Occidentalism that have pretty well handled the situation. It's a shame to see him get beat down by a bunch of internet thugs.
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dixie chicks. Still, Korean netizens suck hard.
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