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Real Reality
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mindmetoo
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| Many universities in America might not rehire a foreign language instructor who goes around publishing things like 9/11 was an American government/Jewish plot. All cultures have their sacred cows. |
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Captain Corea
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| I'm curious if that was printed in Korean as well. |
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Vancouver
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| "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" |
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weatherman
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Pyongshin Sangja
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Many universities in America might not rehire a foreign language instructor who goes around publishing things like 9/11 was an American government/Jewish plot. All cultures have their sacred cows. |
So, the Jews weren't behind it? |
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The Hierophant
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" |
How is researching a contentious issue and stating your findings 'biting the hand that feeds you'? |
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VanIslander
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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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It's like saying something unpopular about the Queen while teaching in England.
Freedom of expression is a political right. The government and police need to respect it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have social consequences. The average bloke on the street can cuss and curse you for it, and count it against your character.
Knowing when to open one's mouth and when to keep it shut is a moral lesson parents teach in a free society. Crossing the line occasionally in one's personal life with attendant consequences is also part and parcel of living in a free society. |
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The Hierophant
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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It's like saying something unpopular about the Queen while teaching in England.
Freedom of expression is a political right. The government and police need to respect it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have social consequences. The average bloke on the street can cuss and curse you for it, and count it against your character.
Knowing when to open one's mouth and when to keep it shut is a moral lesson parents teach in a free society. Crossing the line occasionally in one's personal life with attendant consequences is also part and parcel of living in a free society. |
OK. But did he say anything libellous? If his statements were libel, then sure, I agree he should face the consequences. If his statements were simply brutal truth, then his offended audience are in the wrong here. |
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twg
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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eamo
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Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| It's like saying something unpopular about the Queen while teaching in England. |
Kind of.
But a much better example would be saying that Northern Ireland should be part of the the Irish Republic while working in a British University. Something that I guess many visiting professors have said as part of their personal political belief. If an American professor lecturing in the UK said that Northern Ireland should not be British, I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid.
Korea has only been a democracy for about 18 years. Many Koreans still don't get the true meaning of freedom of thought and speech. Remember, in the past, many school teachers were hired as much for their patriotic beliefs as their teaching skills. Old-school Koreans want their educators to be "on-message". |
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ajgeddes
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| The Hierophant wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
It's like saying something unpopular about the Queen while teaching in England.
Freedom of expression is a political right. The government and police need to respect it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have social consequences. The average bloke on the street can cuss and curse you for it, and count it against your character.
Knowing when to open one's mouth and when to keep it shut is a moral lesson parents teach in a free society. Crossing the line occasionally in one's personal life with attendant consequences is also part and parcel of living in a free society. |
OK. But did he say anything libellous? If his statements were libel, then sure, I agree he should face the consequences. If his statements were simply brutal truth, then his offended audience are in the wrong here. |
I actually agree with VanIslander on this one. It is the same reason you can't walk up to your boss and call him a "f**king co**suc**ng child molestor" in front of all the employees and expect to keep your job.
He has complete freedom of speech on this. He isn't being sent to jail or being deported, he isn't really even being fired, he just isn't getting his contract renewed. |
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VanIslander
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| eamo wrote: |
| But a much better example would be saying that Northern Ireland should be part of the the Irish Republic while working in a British University. Something that I guess many visiting professors have said as part of their personal political belief. If an American professor lecturing in the UK said that Northern Ireland should not be British, I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid. |
Flip it to be more apt: say that Northern Ireland should NOT be part of the Republic while you are teaching in Ireland!! (Koreans=Irish, Japanese=British on this kind of issue)
A few eyelids would bat there laddy.
As the Gaelic like to say: If you lie down with dogs you'll rise with fleas. And, There's no strength without unity. |
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The Hierophant
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| The Hierophant wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
It's like saying something unpopular about the Queen while teaching in England.
Freedom of expression is a political right. The government and police need to respect it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have social consequences. The average bloke on the street can cuss and curse you for it, and count it against your character.
Knowing when to open one's mouth and when to keep it shut is a moral lesson parents teach in a free society. Crossing the line occasionally in one's personal life with attendant consequences is also part and parcel of living in a free society. |
OK. But did he say anything libellous? If his statements were libel, then sure, I agree he should face the consequences. If his statements were simply brutal truth, then his offended audience are in the wrong here. |
I actually agree with VanIslander on this one. It is the same reason you can't walk up to your boss and call him a "f**king co**suc**ng child molestor" in front of all the employees and expect to keep your job.
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Not really. It would be more akin to walking up to a crooked boss and saying "You've broken several employment laws and I have evidence that you've committed tax evasion." There is no libel in saying that Japan has a stronger claim to the Lioncourt Rocks, provided such claims are backed up with evidence.
And yes, he wasn't fired per se. But he has every right to be angry about what is obviously jingoist patriotism costing him his job. I agree he should just move on. Korea isn't a place to be outspoken. |
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eamo
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Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| eamo wrote: |
| But a much better example would be saying that Northern Ireland should be part of the the Irish Republic while working in a British University. Something that I guess many visiting professors have said as part of their personal political belief. If an American professor lecturing in the UK said that Northern Ireland should not be British, I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid. |
Flip it to be more apt: say that Northern Ireland should NOT be part of the Republic while you are teaching in Ireland!! (Koreans=Irish, Japanese=British on this kind of issue)
A few eyelids would bat there laddy.
As the Gaelic like to say: If you lie down with dogs you'll rise with fleas. And, There's no strength without unity. |
You're right. The analogy should be flipped. Only problem is that the Koreans already have jurisdiction over Dokdo. The Irish don't have N.I.
I'm guessing you don't know that many people from The Irish Republic. They are very blase about the Northern Irish question. Most southerners never really think about it. Certainly, no one is cutting their fingers off outside the GPO in Dublin over N.I, a fertile and productive piece of land about the 1/3 the size of South Korea and 1.5 million people . Which is even more revealing about the extremity of emotion in korea about Dokdo, a mere rock in the middle of the ocean. |
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