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RokofKangnam
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Between a ROK and a Hard Place
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 Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:05 am Post subject: Wikipedia on Dave's ESL Cafe |
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Hopefully this isn't a repost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave's_ESL_Cafe
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Dave's ESL Cafe
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dave's ESL Cafe is a privately owned job search engine for English as a Second Language (ESL) jobs around the world. Hosted in California by Dave Sperling, it was one of the first job boards for overseas English teaching jobs to be created. Revenue is derived from advertising from small and medium-sized private language schools, mostly in Asia.
While, local employment offices for positions in one's home country are subject to adhering to local labor laws and other laws, overseas jobs posted on Dave's ESL Cafe are not. Therefore, quite often, fraudulent businesses advertise teaching positions which do not comply with labor laws even in the host country.
For example, by law, it is mandatory in Japan that an employee be enrolled into the Japanese government's health care and pension plan (shakai hoken); however, since it is an overseas job, a Californian Internet job board has no fear of being sued for advertising a job that violates Japanese law. Therefore, advertisers can misrepresent job conditions such as pay, holidays, health insurance etc....
Although this Internet job board does provide a forum to discuss jobs, advertisers may demand posts critical of their particular school to be censored or completely deleted. Moderators of the forums are not required to have any experience or training in labor issues, and often are unaware of labor law standards.
Similar Internet job boards exist for ESL jobs which have similar censorious behavior such as GaijinPot and the tesljb-l listserv. |
Interesting comments about fraudulent advertisers and moderators on the forums. Will this post self-destruct? |
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Not yet it hasn't.........anyhoo,who's the girl? |
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europe2seoul
Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| rothkowitz wrote: |
| Not yet it hasn't.........anyhoo,who's the girl? |
Ditto. Who is the girl? |
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RokofKangnam
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Between a ROK and a Hard Place
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| europe2seoul wrote: |
| rothkowitz wrote: |
| Not yet it hasn't.........anyhoo,who's the girl? |
Ditto. Who is the girl? |
Honestly can't remember where I picked that up, just kind of caught my eye and has been hanging with me ever since.
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: Re: Wikipedia on Dave's ESL Cafe |
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| For example, by law, it is mandatory in Japan that an employee be enrolled into the Japanese government's health care and pension plan (shakai hoken); however, since it is an overseas job, a Californian Internet job board has no fear of being sued for advertising a job that violates Japanese law. Therefore, advertisers can misrepresent job conditions such as pay, holidays, health insurance etc.... |
I don't know.. I think that sentence really needs one more period on the end. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Moderators of the forums are not required to have any experience or training in labor issues, and often are unaware of labor law standards. |
This much is true, nor need they have any. Moderators of the forums are interested in other things, such as whether the general mood of the place is such that people feel safe asking questions and giving replies. If you needed to seek out people with knowledge of all the intricacies of labor law, you'd never get folks who were willing to volunteer their time to help someone else make money ...
As for advertisers, what is said here applies to any site anywhere that accepts advertising revenue. Applies to newspapers and magazines to a similar extent, I would think.
Clue : In order to allow negative comments about advertisers to stand after being objected to, a helluva lotta time would need to be devoted to fact-checking by either mods or sysops or admins, and doing so well would be largely impossible on a site that allows the degree of anonymity that many of us do feel is safe on the 'net.
Much easier for someone, somewhere, to simply delete a comment or discussion thread, but you can bet that when it takes place it happens at a level somewhere other than the mods that we usually have contact with. During my short stint as a mod here, I neither knew nor cared who Dave's advertisers were, and I suspect that is still true ...
But Dave Sperling pretty much owns every pixel you read here, or write, and if he has a notion even a comma of it might affect his family's income, I figure he'd be in his rights to send it into the ether ... hell, I'd do the same. |
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