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Do You Want to See It?
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Do You Want to See It...? Reply with quote

Is it appropriate to publish video and photos of Saddam's execution? Is it necessary?

Why or why not?

My own opinion: too macabre. Inhumane. Too sensational and "snuff." I predict CNN and the internet will have it within 48 hours, however...

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All Things Considered, December 29, 2006 � Iraqi authorities have announced a plan to document on video the complete process of Saddam Hussein's execution, including his transfer from U.S. forces to Iraqi authorities. The U.S. military has been holding him since his capture. How might U.S. television use this sensitive footage in its coverage?


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6697347
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alffy



Joined: 25 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely it should be published/shown!

As a matter of fact, all executions should be thrown open to the public and broadcast live over the air. An execution is, afterall, the state taking the life of a human being at the behest of the people it represents. So, by God, they should be able/have to watch it!

If the people of the state are made too uncomfortable by the images, that's just too bad. They are still complicit.

As to the Saddam video/pictures- the people of Iraq want to see them (many for different reasons) and should be allowed to as they suffered under him for so many years.

And as to the broadcasting of the images in the West- damn skippy! We as citizens of the nations that are involved in Iraq are equally complicit in his execution, and therefore should also watch it. Hey, we may even find ourselves having visceral reactions- he was one hell of a bad dude, afterall, and we just might like seeing Justice executed.

This shouldn't be just a one-off showing, though, as that would lead to the aspects you indicated. Make this a regular feature (I understand Saddam's half-brother and some other hack are also scheduled for execution soon), that way we get a fuller appreciation of just what we are involved in over in Iraq.

For what it's worth, I think internet sites that carry images of the war and its costs are doing our civilization a fine service. A one-off airing of just Saddam being executed would be just some visceral eye-candy, but streaming images of multiple executions, heavy fighting, suicide bombings, etc., truly pull back the cutain and present us with our total complicity.

Air it all, baby, air it all!
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CNN had a woman on yesterday (some kind of editor) who said it is common to show executions in the Middle East. I know several of the countries there have public executions. So culturally speaking, I guess it's OK for them to show it in the Middle East.

This is the kind of thing that should be shown on the internet. If someone does want to see it, it will be available to them there. CNN should not show it. Last night they showed a guy putting the noose around his neck. I thought even showing him in the execution chamber was too much.

The public has a right to know that he was executed at 6:05 local time. The public does not have a need to SEE the execution. A photo of the corpse after it has been prepared for burial is enough.

I personally have no interest in seeing it. Grusome. Morbid. More words like that.
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One can always change the channel.

cbc
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is it!

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=8DFB018F-2716-4FA2-8532-A33A79852F51&t=c2771&f=06/64&p=hotvideo_m_iraq&fg=&GT1=8816

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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No: I am opposed to capital punsihment.
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Sister Ray



Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Location: Fukuoka

PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
No: I am opposed to capital punsihment.


I'm with you on that one.

Seeing them put the noose around Saddam's neck yesterday on CNN further illustrated to me what a nasty business it is.

Grotesque.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its just porn, but for psychotics. Whats the point of seeing it? I mean, ok, he was a dictator. Not in YOUR country. Nothing he did to Iraqis ever affected you guys in even the smallest way. Therefore YOU watching it is nothing but sick, perverted voyeurism. I say get help, psychos.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Its just porn, but for psychotics. Whats the point of seeing it? I mean, ok, he was a dictator. Not in YOUR country. Nothing he did to Iraqis ever affected you guys in even the smallest way. Therefore YOU watching it is nothing but sick, perverted voyeurism. I say get help, psychos.


But you watched it, didn't you? It's okay, you can admit it. We all know it was only for your psycho-voyeur thesis-paper research.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
jinju wrote:
Its just porn, but for psychotics. Whats the point of seeing it? I mean, ok, he was a dictator. Not in YOUR country. Nothing he did to Iraqis ever affected you guys in even the smallest way. Therefore YOU watching it is nothing but sick, perverted voyeurism. I say get help, psychos.


But you watched it, didn't you? It's okay, you can admit it. We all know it was only for your psycho-voyeur thesis-paper research.


Did I strike a chord? Did you take a couple of minutes off watching bukkake porn to excite yourself with Saddam's execution? Nope sorry, I didnt watch it.
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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was wearing nice shoes, though.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seen it..unfazed...

Seeing it probably helps the Iraqis move forward. They need to know with their own eyes, that their former oppressor is dead. The dragon has been slain. Catthartic.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
seen it..unfazed...

Seeing it probably helps the Iraqis move forward. They need to know with their own eyes, that their former oppressor is dead. The dragon has been slain. Catthartic.


Are YOU an Iraqi? Seeing it was cathartic to you? Or was it simply fun?
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw it. Was looking at videos on Youtube, or something, and it was in the list of the most popular videos, so I had a look since I read somewhere that some people were arguing the execution looks faked...Well, you don't see much. You see the noose being slipped around his neck and shortly after the image looks like the camera was accidentally dropped just as you hear a strong noise and some commotion (the trapdoor being opened). It looks very suspicious to me (It reminded me of a story I heard about how prison guard deal with unruly prisoners. First thing they do is inspect his room. The whole thing is videotaped to prove that the prisoner wasn't knocked on his ass, but the guard holding the video camera often 'accidentally' trips over his feet). The next thing you see are a few brief images of Saddam's face as he was already laid down. There were two or three camera cuts.

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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Making executions public and enforcing attendance for a certain number of witnesses (a bit like making a duty similar to jury service) might increase public oppositition to what is state sanctioned murder and an ineffective deterrent.
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