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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: Are Koreans Casual Appointment Breakers? |
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I've noticed something with my Korean (friends???). Both males and females seem to see nothing wrong with calling me about one hour before we're supposed to meet and just cancelling our date. Why make the date in the first place if you have doubts whether you can make it? This happens frequently enough that I think it's a habit of theirs.
Cultural difference I guess. North Americans usually try their best to honor their original commitments. The person who they made the appointment with gets first priority unless it's an emergency. Koreans are different I guess. Or I'm just meeting all of the unrelaible ones.  |
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rednblack
Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Location: In a quiet place
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Yeah Dev, I totally agree. I can honestly say in the 7 odd years I've been here I've never (rarely) had a Korean person arrive on time and/or keep an appointment for the given time (wife included). Meetings get cancelled after the arranged time, dinner dates (people) show up, often an hour late, while others just plain forget that arrangements had been made for a certain night. I rarely have many complaints about Korean society, but this is one that gets up me.
By-the-way, I'm not North American, but I believe most cultures (prove me wrong) keep to arrangements, give or take. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: |
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You get a phone call?
Whenever I make plans with Koreans on a Monday or Tuesday for Saturday it seems like a done deal until nothing comes of it.
I now confirm the night before AND call a couple of hours before getting together.
It is definitely a cultural difference. Big time.
Just as a Korean friend thinks nothing of dropping by and sticking a head into an open window. No boundaries exist to be honoured between friends here, unless you set them yourselves. |
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oneofthesarahs

Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Location: Sacheon City
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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I don't really have a problem with people outright cancelling plans, but my Korean boyfriend is chronically late. I think it's because he spends so much time fixing his hair.  |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| Never had a cancellation, but I've started asking to do things an hour before needed just to make sure Korean folks show up on time. |
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jaderedux

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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It is a cultural difference. My husband and I fight over this one the most. What time should I be there. When I say 2 O'clock I mean 2 o'clock. Not 3 and not 2:30.
Koreans HATE absolutely hate to say no. So they will agree to something then ooops I forgot don't show up or call with the perenial (sp?) stomach ache. DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IT IS SUCH A GOOD THING I DON'T HAVE MY GLOCK.
I know it is cultural but to be honest it is the one thing that I just can't get used too. I was taught be on time. Punculality is a virtue. It is rude to make people wait...I know, I know cultural differences but for Farks sake either learn to say NO OR I would rather swallow razor blades than spend time with you... OR SHOW THE FARK UP!
JADE
have a nice day
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jaderedux would make a good German |
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jaderedux

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| jaderedux would make a good German |
I am hispanic ....just raised right.
and curious why german?
Jade |
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Why keep them as friends if they are flakers?
Haven't had many korean male friends flake on me.
My good female friends are pretty good too.
Seems to happen a lot in dating in Korea. Maybe they
get the first date jitters.. Maybe there bf who you don't
know about demands to meet them. Maybe a 'better'
offer comes along. so many reasons.
Basically they are disrespecting you and you're
better off without people like that in your life. |
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jaderedux

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Well because 99% of them do it and that includes my husband, his mother, his father, his sister and 99% of the Koreans I know. Good for you that you found the 1% that doesn't.
Cuz if you say this is not a normal cultural issue I am going to have to call B.S. on ya.
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Kenny Kimchee

Joined: 12 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| Never had a cancellation, but I've started asking to do things an hour before needed just to make sure Korean folks show up on time. |
This reminds me of my Puerto Rican girl friend back in high school. I'd arrange to pick her up at 730, go over to her house, find that she wasn't ready, then have to spend an awkward hour with her parents (who absolutely hated me) while she got ready. I finally wised up; I told her that I'd be there at 730 and then rock up at 815 - worked a treat. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| jaderedux wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
| jaderedux would make a good German |
I am hispanic ....just raised right.
and curious why german? |
Really? Now I'm curious as to why you're curious. I would have thought that German punctuality was a universally recognised personality trait, or behavioural norm. I mean, it's right up there with beer-drinking, car-making and Sieg-Heiling. Of course some Germans can take it to boring extremes -- consciously or subconsciously measuring an individual's or even a whole people's worth by their commitment to schedules -- just as Koreans certainly take it to the opposite extreme. It obviously doesn't take being German for this behaviour to annoy the hell out of someone. But there is a difference, I think, and that is the tendency of average Germans to regard it as not merely laziness or disorganisation, but something akin to a moral failing... and then to dismiss the whole place as somehow not warranting the serious and full consideration that they (Koreans) want and expect.
I'm not exaggerating to say that this specific problem, or rather category of problems -- tardiness, forgetting appointments, cancelling appointments at the last minute & leaving the "cancelee" scrambling to adjust, failure to deliver on time, etc. -- is THE most common gripe Germans I know have with Korean companies & people, even more than the corruption, dishonesty, shoddy quality & poor planning. So much of the irritantants in whatever relationship, business or personal, can be boiled down to this problem. And I find myself symphatising. But hopefully never to a self-defeating extent.
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Well because 99% of them do it and that includes my husband, his mother, his father, his sister and 99% of the Koreans I know. Good for you that you found the 1% that doesn't.
Cuz if you say this is not a normal cultural issue I am going to have to call B.S. on ya.
Jade |
In your first post you were talking about being late, and the OP was talking about people cancelling appointments. two separate issues, no?
People treat you the way you let them, and if you let them disrespect your time then they will. It may or may not be cultural, but you always have the power to not accept that behavior. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| jaderedux wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
| jaderedux would make a good German |
I am hispanic ....just raised right.
and curious why german? |
Really? Now I'm curious as to why you're curious. I would have thought that German punctuality was a universally recognised personality trait, or behavioural norm...some Germans can take it to... extremes -- consciously or subconsciously measuring an individual's or even a whole people's worth by their commitment to schedules... the tendency of average Germans to regard it as not merely laziness or disorganisation, but something akin to a moral failing... and then to dismiss the whole place...category of problems -- tardiness, forgetting appointments, cancelling appointments at the last minute & leaving the "cancelee" scrambling to adjust, failure to deliver on time, etc. -- is THE most common gripe Germans I know have with Korean companies & people, even more than the corruption, dishonesty, shoddy quality & poor planning. |
Exactly. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Try this:
Set up private classes with an ajumma to teach her children.
Get the payment at the first lesson.
Show up late for or try to skip a few classes.
You'll feel like there's a manhunt for you and definitely find an exception to Koreans being appointment breakers. |
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