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honeybrown in korea
Joined: 04 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: Question about experience, certification, and salary? |
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Im prepping myself to come over in August. I have been an ESL tutor (both 1 on 1 and small groups) since January 07. I am also going to get my TEFL Certificate. Will any of this help me get a bit more than the average beginning salary of 2.0-2.1 million won? The certificate will maybe help a bit and since Ive never taught before I think it will be a good starting point for me. But the ESL tutor experience should/might help right? Thanks for your time.
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Question about experience, certification, and salary? |
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| honeybrown in korea wrote: |
| Im prepping myself to come over in August. I have been an ESL tutor since January 07. I am also going to get my TEFL Certificate. Will any of this help me get a bit more than the average beginning salary of 2.0-2.1 million won? The certificate will maybe help a bit and since Ive never taught before I think it will be a good starting point for me. But the ESL tutor experience should/might help right? Thanks for your time. |
Your TESOL cert will have a financial benefit IF it is more than 100 hours AND you are in a public school.
Hakwons don't care about experience or certification. You are worth as much as you can negotiate for and not a won more.
Your experence as a tutor is meaningless here. |
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Missile Command Kid
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Question about experience, certification, and salary? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Hakwons don't care about experience or certification. You are worth as much as you can negotiate for and not a won more.
Your experence as a tutor is meaningless here. |
I'm not sure that either point is valid. My school hired me because of my MA in English and my tutoring experience, and as a result I was offered 2.5 mil for a hagwon job. Also, one-on-one teaching experience is *never* meaningless in a teaching sense! Maybe I'm the exception rather than the norm (okay, I am the exception rather than the norm), but blanket statements such as the above aren't always helpful. No offense to you, ttompatz, as I've always found your post to be very helpful, but just in case there are others out there in my situation, remember that your background can *always* be spun in a positive manner, even here in Korea. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Question about experience, certification, and salary? |
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| Missile Command Kid wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
Hakwons don't care about experience or certification. You are worth as much as you can negotiate for and not a won more.
Your experence as a tutor is meaningless here. |
I'm not sure that either point is valid. My school hired me because of my MA in English and my tutoring experience, and as a result I was offered 2.5 mil for a hagwon job. Also, one-on-one teaching experience is *never* meaningless in a teaching sense! Maybe I'm the exception rather than the norm (okay, I am the exception rather than the norm), but blanket statements such as the above aren't always helpful. No offense to you, ttompatz, as I've always found your post to be very helpful, but just in case there are others out there in my situation, remember that your background can *always* be spun in a positive manner, even here in Korea. |
Hense the reference to negotiating skills AND I'll be willing to bet LARGE money that it was your masters and not your tutoring that made the difference in your salary and getting hired.
I stand by the broad blanket statement and it was intended as such. |
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goodgood
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Ttompatz is a genius and a philanthropist, and should be regarded as such. He (she?) is always right, and always helpful.
This is no exception. Its all in the spin. Ttp is right.
So many bastards on this board (myself included), but ttp is never cheeky.
(I'm 100% serious) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with goodgood and I would further say that the exception in MCK's case is the hakwon. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of hakwon's couldn't possibly care less about an MA or any other qualification beyond the basic living, breathing citizen of the 7 select countries with a BA in anything. |
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Homer
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In general, for your avg Hakwon your experience and education (beyond the basic B.A.) might not translate into higher pay.
That being said, the better Hakwons will pay for better qualifications....you have to find them however. Public schools will also pay better for better qualifications as will many universities.
This is all dependent on the teacher doing his homework and searching for these jobs and then negociating. They usually do not fall on your lap, especially if you are a newbie to Korea and are applying from abroad. In such a case you might have to settle for slightly less and go for that better position for the second year. |
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the1andonly
Joined: 08 Feb 2007
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| I once negotiated 2.8 million won a month, for a 10-6 hagwon job. If a place needs you badly enough you can get what you think you are worth. I had one year of teaching experience behind me at the time. |
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