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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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 Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: North Korea helping Iran prepare for A-bomb test. |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246584,00.html
If this is true, then it is even more regrettable that we did not use force against the North when we had the chance to stop them. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
If this is true, then it is even more regrettable that we did not use force against the North
when we had the chance to stop them. |
How Neo-Con ... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Even though I disagree with W. Bush's "Axis of Evil" language, there certainly appears to be a rogue-state/pariah club out there (Pyongyang, Tehran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Caracas, others), meeting with each other, sharing information and technology, etc., and mostly full of hatred and bile, especially concerning America.
This plus the proliferation of nuclear technology and weapons concerns me.
Whether this particular story -- that is, the one OP presents -- is true or not, it is only a matter of time before we see a regional or worse nuclear conflict. This is the trend, and this is where we are headed. We will likely see such a thing in our lifetimes. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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What a croc!
As always, these planted stories are always of some "unnamed official". Quoting and quoting......
This is pure PR. And if you don't think governments do this well.......
I just find it incredulous that a news agency can continue to be taken seriously when it prints, disseminates material such as this. The highest task a publishers can undertake is to make sure all info. is creditable. I suggest this is a case where that wasn't done and again and again, this same agency just spins.......
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
| this same agency just spins... |
Jaberwocky...! What a croc...! Just spinning...!
As far as the spinning goes...takes one to know one, Mr. Semonizer.
And I always imagine you wildly waving your arms about as you pronounce these exclamations.
In any case, "unnamed official," "senior official," etc. These are standard industry code-words. People speak to the press "on background" and, at times, "on deep background." Sometimes to float an idea but not link oneself or the President to it. Sometimes to talk to the press -- e.g., "leaking" -- without authorization.
Information flows better this way. Most of us know how to read-between-the-lines on unattributed sources, Ddeubletalk.
Never heard you complain about a Hersh story, by the way... |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Even though I disagree with W. Bush's "Axis of Evil" language, there certainly appears to be a rogue-state/pariah club out there (Pyongyang, Tehran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Caracas, others), meeting with each other, sharing information and technology, etc., and mostly full of hatred and bile, especially concerning America.
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This is due to a consistent pandering to and encouragement of the enemies of the west, over decades. Consistent mistakes: the west has been shooting itself in the foot for too long and now its a matter of killing the monster we've allowed to grow to an unmanageable size. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| In any case, "unnamed official," "senior official," etc. These are standard industry code-words. People speak to the press "on background" and, at times, "on deep background." Sometimes to float an idea but not link oneself or the President to it. Sometimes to talk to the press -- e.g., "leaking" -- without authorization. |
Oh, you mean lie and also deeply lie? How noble. What a great way to get the news, through code words and whispers and wink wink, nudge nudges....
Fact of the matter is, too much of the press (and thus public attitude) is controlled by people who have access to the media and then run all this cloack and dagger news through the pipes. The media is complicit in our own hysteria and stupidity, as a culture.
DD |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| If the story is true, then what should especially concern us here in South Korea is that the U.S. has already threatened to to relaliate against North Korea if any attacks (against U.S. interests and presumably allies...) are facilitated by their weapon exports. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| A few carefully applied, low yield, nuclear bunker busters applied in NK and Iran would be a start. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
If this is true, then it is even more regrettable that we did not use force against the North
when we had the chance to stop them. |
How Neo-Con ... |
had we used force nk wouldnt have nukes |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:41 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel:
You mean "crock," as in "crock of shiite?"
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| As always, these planted stories are always of some "unnamed official". |
How do you know it's planted? Oh, wait, it must be that vast right wing conspiracy. Oh, wait again, the mainstream media is left of center. Gee, could it be true?
Ddarned if I know. You enlighten us, and ddon't forget to cite sources.
Funny how Leftists are quick to give the benefit of the doubt to leftwing dictators. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| How do you know it's planted? Oh, wait, it must be that vast right wing conspiracy. Oh, wait again, the mainstream media is left of center. Gee, could it be true? |
You know very little of how media (left or right) works. Fact of the matter is that many publications, news outlets, do have a specific policy forbidding the use of unnamed sources in articles if the articles are not fact based (ie. regarding a specific meeting, event ) . Many do not and regrettably run canned, P.R. manufactured articles which are meant to push certain agendas, to the detriment of "truth". Fox is one of them and they don't have the arms length relationship with political organizations to give them any "fifth estate" aspirations.
DD
PS> that you would call me a leftists, only shows how unidimensional (and after all, that is also very close to the definition of delusional, repeating the same thing, in new guises) your thinking is. I don't have "a position" other than what I believe is right or wrong at a given point in time, regarding an issue. Mostly, my shyte detector is programmed to err on the side of human life and the greatest good for all. |
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supernaut
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Location: Nova Scotia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel:
You mean "crock," as in "crock of shiite?"
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| As always, these planted stories are always of some "unnamed official". |
How do you know it's planted? Oh, wait, it must be that vast right wing conspiracy. Oh, wait again, the mainstream media is left of center. Gee, could it be true?
Ddarned if I know. You enlighten us, and ddon't forget to cite sources.
Funny how Leftists are quick to give the benefit of the doubt to leftwing dictators. |
Other then Castro, what left wing dictators are you thinking about? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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How about Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Che worship, Hugo and others. The left has a long history of supporting thugs who say the right things.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/29095.html |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel:
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| Many do not and regrettably run canned, P.R. manufactured articles which are meant to push certain agendas, to the detriment of "truth". Fox is one of them and they don't have the arms length relationship with political organizations to give them any "fifth estate" aspirations. |
First off, anyone who employs the term "fifth estate" is probably a neo-Marxist. Second, anyone who claims Fox has an agenda while failing to state the same about CNN is obviously a leftwinger. Nice try, ddude.
supernaut:
You're joking, right? How about Kim Jong Il, an avowed communist or Robert Mugabe of the failed state of Zimbabwe (life expectancy has plummeted since he came into office)? Or what about Hugo Chavez, who is trying ever-so-hard to become president for life in Venezuela? What of the ruling regime in Vietnam? |
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