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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:23 pm    Post subject: Primary Order Reply with quote

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http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/01/16/cq_2126.html

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The party�s Nevada caucuses � slated for just five days after the traditional kickoff event in Iowa and three days before the primary in New Hampshire � was part of the Democratic National Committee�s response to persistent complaints that Iowa and New Hampshire have long exercised too much clout over the selection of the presidential nominee.



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The Mystery of the Nevada Election Has Been Solved!!!

The party�s Nevada caucuses � slated for just five days after the traditional kickoff event in Iowa and three days before the primary in New Hampshire �


It wasn't clear earlier that Nevada uses the caucus system, like Iowa and not the primary system like New Hampshire.

I think it's a good idea to move a western state up in the calendar--just not before the caucuses in the great and sovereign state of Iowa, whose caucuses by state law must be the first in the nation. Ptui on Nevada! They are only second. Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah!


I thought I would make this its own thread because I see this as a significant change and would be interested in hearing other thoughts.

Yata,

I understand that your post was of a frivolous nature, but I wanted to ask about it. Is that really an Iowa's state law? If it is, I don't understand how it could be constitutional given that primaries are run by the parties and not the government.

Another point of info is that I believe it's only the Democrats who are doing this. I'm not sure about the GOP.

While I've heard arguments about how Iowa and New Hampshire are very independent, I think it's absurd that they should continually lead off the primaries and other states continually be at the tail end where the race has already been conceded in many cases.

This is also inconsistent with arguments that the electoral college forces parties to campaign over a broader demographic. Consider the money and time spent on New Hampshire and Iowa with, say, Oregon (the only one off the top of my head that holds late primaries). Oregon's say in the primaries amounts to chopped liver.

Thus, I would argue that primaries should be held in a rotating format, with Iowa and NH at times dutifully holding theirs at the end.

Cheers to Nevada.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not really clear on it either. I heard years and years ago that it was a state 'law' in both Iowa and New Hampshire (that they would be first), but you are right about the nominating process being a party activity, not a state government one. Maybe it's only a state party thing. According to what I heard, there had been a leap-frog thing going on with some other state jumping to the head of the list, pushing the caucus from March to January. It's all just something I picked up somewhere and never questioned.

Sometimes I think the whole process needs to be overhauled. One suggestion is to make it regional, but that would leave the same problem--who gets to be first. Your idea of rotating is attractive.

One argument in favor of Iowa/New Hampshire being first is that they are small states (in population) so it is relatively cheap for all candidates to start out there and 'practice', see if they are viable candidates and work the bugs out of their campaign, honing their message before going on to the big states. So in this way, I might favor a rotating system among some of the smaller states. Something like that would be fair to candidates. I do think it's important to let them develop their campaign over time. I wouldn't be good to start out in a big important state--there is too much at stake for one toss of the dice.

I kind of like a rotating regional election idea, but I do think a few states should go it alone in the first stages, to serve as a testing ground and to winnow out the less serious candidates.

Another criticism of Iowa/New Hampshire being first is that neither is very racially diverse and don't reflect the country's population as a whole, although Iowa is becoming much more so than in the past. This is a valid criticism, up to a point.

From a purely selfish emotional stand, I hope things never change. It is SO cool for about 2 months every four years to have the phone ringing off the wall with campaign volunteers calling to solicit your support--10-15 calls a day toward the end. The trick is to remain in the 'Undecided' column until the end. If you say you've decided on one candidate, then you only get periodic calls from that campaign to make sure you don't forget to vote. As if you could. You can get into some really good discussion with these really passionate supporters arguing for their guy.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aHA!!!

I did a google search and turned up this:

The first status of the Iowa caucuses is enshrined in state law: "The date shall be at least eight days earlier than the scheduled date for any meeting, caucus or promary which constitutes the first determining stage of the presidential nominating process in any other state, territory or any other group..." (Iowa Code--Title II Chapter 43.4).


http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/chrniowa.html


How this could be actually enforced, I have no idea. It is clearly not something that could be defended under the federal Constitution.
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Another beef I have is with my local community's park board, where apparently there's a mandate for the board to be half democrat and half republican.

Which, privately is good, given that conservatives breed like rabbits where I'm from. But still, that's unconstitutional.


And can you please explain a caucus?

Reports from the last election suggested some frontier-era silliness about people standing in corners of a room.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And can you please explain a caucus?

Reports from the last election suggested some frontier-era silliness about people standing in corners of a room.


Very Happy
Let us please not speak so disparagingly about the (political) customs and culture of the great and sovereign State of Iowa.

I wrote out a description here a couple of years ago for the '04 election, but the search function failed us again. It went something like this:

Each of the approx. 2,000 precincts is told how many delegates they can send to the county convention, based on how many Democratic votes were cast in the last election.

On Caucus Night, party members go to their designated meeting place--church basement, school gym, someone's home. The ones I went to were all held in Cheryl Ross's home because she had a big living room and 3 bedrooms.

Let's say 25 people show up in a precinct that can send 3 delegates to the county convention. There are 5 candidates for president. The precinct chair designates that supporters of Candidate A go to the kitchen, Candidate B go to the first bedroom on the left, Candidate C's supporters go to the basement...etc.

At precisely 8:00 (I think that's the time) everyone heads off to their 'room'. Of the 25 party members attending...

Candidate A = 2 supporters
B = 5
C = 8
D = 9
E = 1

Divide 25 by 3 (delegates) = 8.33 (A candidate must have the support of 8.33 party members in order to send a delegate to the county convention).

The precinct chair counts the people and tells everyone that at this point Candidate D has one delegate, the other two delegates cannot be determined unless people want to send fractional delegates to the county convention. Would anyone like to change groups (think about your second choice)? No one is forced to move. People from any group can strike a deal with anyone from another group. For example, C can offer to let E's supporter be the delegate for C if he will join them and give them the necessary 8.33 supporters, as long as he promises to vote for C on the first go-round at the convention.

The county convention is followed by the district and then the state convention, so it's a long, drawn-out process for Iowa to choose who goes to the national convention.

The other function of the caucus is to propose party platform planks.

When I go into the polling booth on election day, I still get a little shiver of patriotism when I close the curtain, but it is nothing to how I feel when I'm at the precinct caucus.
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