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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:49 am    Post subject: UK Citizens and pensions Reply with quote

What is the deal with UK citizens and pensions here?

I read somewhere on the forum that it is classed as a national insurance (NI) contribution. Is this true?

Is it easy to get back?
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://wiki.galbijim.com/Korean_pension_plan

And some gibberish from

http://www.nps4u.or.kr/social/index_en.html
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Double07



Joined: 29 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The agreement between the UK & South Korea allows you to have your pension contributions that are made in Korea transferred to your UK pension, but thats it.

It doesn't count as NI contributions and you cannot get it refunded like to you can if you live in the USA or Canada.

As far as I am aware if you live outiside the UK for a year then the number of years you need to work to qualify for your pension (state one obviously) decreases by one, same as if you were in full time education in the UK.

Probably all a bit irrelevant as by the time you get to pension age the UK state pension will be worth about as much as a New Labour promise!
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if I stay out for the planned next 20 years so my student loan is cancelled I could in theory pick up my pension at the same time.


Bonus.
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semphoon



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Where Nowon is

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you heard that if you stay out of the UK for 20 years your student loan gets cancelled?

I have heard it is 4 years or 5. Are you sure its not just a joke? Any proof?

I can imagine all these newly graduated students heading out of the UK and then coming back years later...and stll having the students loan man waiting for them.
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loans are cancelled when you turn 50 if they haven't been paid back or might be 55.

Or if I die.
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the saint



Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Location: not there yet...

PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double07 wrote:
The agreement between the UK & South Korea allows you to have your pension contributions that are made in Korea transferred to your UK pension, but thats it.

er... are you entirely sure about that? Can you provide a link to online info? I work for the British Council who are, obviously, quite familiar with both the Korean and the UK side of things. I had our finance officer look into this from both the UK and Korean side by talking to the Korean pension people and she came back with a very definite "no" i.e. your Korean pension is money down the drain. I'd be very interested to hear otherwise as I've been here three years and have paid not too small an amount.

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It doesn't count as NI contributions and you cannot get it refunded like to you can if you live in the USA or Canada.

okay... I don't get this. Earlier you said that K pension can be transferred to UK pension. Are you talking NI conts towards your state pension or are you talking UK private pension (which of course you can't have legally if you are living overseas)?

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As far as I am aware if you live outiside the UK for a year then the number of years you need to work to qualify for your pension (state one obviously) decreases by one, same as if you were in full time education in the UK.

again, I'd appreciate details of this as I've been out of the UK for 9 years and this is the first I've heard despite lengthy enquiries and reading through a whole ton of their literature. The only way I know to get qualifying years is to pay for them. If I'm wrong please tell me now Wink

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Probably all a bit irrelevant as by the time you get to pension age the UK state pension will be worth about as much as a New Labour promise!

yes true... but... NI contributions go to much more than simply a pension. Two examples: if I ended up next week back in the UK, I could sign on and immediately claim the dole. Not sure that's the case if you haven't been paying vol contributions as I have. Secondly and much more importantly for me, if I die, my wife gets a widow's pension from here to eternity. It may be small, but it's something for her.

As I said, more details to clarify the confusion would be great
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

National Insurance Contributions Office - Agreement Between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Korea on Social Security
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW

I couldn't find stuff re the above on the Student Loans Co website. Anyone got any other sources? I very much doubt they write off the debt after just five years out of GB......although of course hope it's true! Laughing
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Boodleheimer



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

does this also mean that the UK is aware of how much money you make? (and the taxman is ready to pounce on you?)
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cancellation

While you are of working age, you will be expected to make repayments until you have paid off all that you owe. The amount of time this takes will depend on your income during your working life. Once you reach the age of 65 your loan will be cancelled - even if you have not paid it all off. Of course, if your income never rises above the threshold before you reach the age of 65, you will not have to make any repayments.

Your loan will be cancelled if you die. It will not be passed on to anybody else. Your loan will also be cancelled if you become permanently disabled.
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:
BTW

I couldn't find stuff re the above on the Student Loans Co website. Anyone got any other sources? I very much doubt they write off the debt after just five years out of GB......although of course hope it's true! Laughing



Dammit I have to wait another 40 odd years then

bollocks I thought I had 30 20 odd to go


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Maz



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Student Loan....

I have heard that it's canceled after 7 years out of the country.

OR

With 3 years 'service' teaching in UK state schools!
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plato's republic



Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Ancient Greece

PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a somewhat similar note, I was told a few years back that once you return to the UK and get a job there, the taxman will come knocking expecting you to pay tax on your overseas earnings regardless of whether you've already paid tax in the country/countries you were previously living/working in. Can anyone else confirm this?
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Boodleheimer



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought that the US was the only country retarded enough to tax citizen who are already being taxed by other governments.

can anybody confirm plato's republic's story?

edit: oops, citizen Arrow citizens
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