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IS SENATOR JOHN KERRY REALLY A PATRIOT?
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: IS SENATOR JOHN KERRY REALLY A PATRIOT? Reply with quote

It has been a thorn in the side of the Bush Administration for years: Democrats speaking out against the Iraq War only to be accused of showing a lack of patriotism by overzealous Republicans in the House. These Democrats have decried such self-censorship, insisting (and rightly so) that they're only exercising their constitutional rights to free speech and dissent.

What chafes at the Republican accusers is the gnawing awareness that they did NOT do the same once the Clinton Administration launched the war against Serbia.

However, until very recently, even the most liberal Democratic politicians, refrained from condemnation of our foreign policy in public venues.

But have not the two Massachusetts patricians, Senators Kennedy and Kerry, now flaunted that tradition for the sake of partisan gain?

At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland yesterday Kerry railed against American behavior in the world at large. Among those listening in the front row were the former president of Iran.

Kerry harangued; our adversaries listened gleefully. Now trash talking your own country in an overseas venue is evidently acceptable behavior for some Democrats.

When should discretion take precedence over dissent? Are their prudent limits? And since when does Kerry speak for his country in such venues? Is there not a right time and place for such acts of opposition? And is dissent in the name of partisan politics sincere anyhow?

For the record: To me, a patriot is someone who at the end of the day has said many more positive than negative things about his own nation.

Not so Kerry it would seem.
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mateomiguel



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe he just wants to become the Swiss Senator when it becomes the 52nd state.

(yes I know we have 50 states but I'm guessing canada will join before switzerland)
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: IS SENATOR JOHN KERRY REALLY A PATRIOT? Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
For the record: To me, a patriot is someone who at the end of the day has said many more positive than negative things about his own nation.


That's a pretty weak definition of a patriot.

As for the war against Serbia, that was conducted entirely from the air, ergo almost no soldiers came home in body bags:

Quote:
2 KIA
1 USAF F-117 Nighthawk shot down
1 USAF F-16 shot down
32 UAVs shot down


That's including the entire NATO force too, not just American forces.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He doesn't have to like the decisions of his government to like his country. Next topic.
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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: IS SENATOR JOHN KERRY REALLY A PATRIOT? Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
stevemcgarrett wrote:
For the record: To me, a patriot is someone who at the end of the day has said many more positive than negative things about his own nation.


That's a pretty weak definition of a patriot.

Yeah stevemcgarrett, seriously. Are you really a well-educated middle-aged man? Because you do not by any means sound like one.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: IS SENATOR JOHN KERRY REALLY A PATRIOT? Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
mithridates wrote:
stevemcgarrett wrote:
For the record: To me, a patriot is someone who at the end of the day has said many more positive than negative things about his own nation.


That's a pretty weak definition of a patriot.

Yeah stevemcgarrett, seriously. Are you really a well-educated middle-aged man? Because you do not by any means sound like one.


well he never said where he got all those degrees.
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alffy



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: IS SENATOR JOHN KERRY REALLY A PATRIOT? Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
mithridates wrote:
stevemcgarrett wrote:
For the record: To me, a patriot is someone who at the end of the day has said many more positive than negative things about his own nation.


That's a pretty weak definition of a patriot.

Yeah stevemcgarrett, seriously. Are you really a well-educated middle-aged man? Because you do not by any means sound like one.


Yes, I have noted before that his persona on these boards is one of churlishness and immaturity.

I wonder if it is the anonimity of the medium that inspires his diatribes or if he is indeed as childish as he appears here.
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
IS JOHN KERRY A PATRIOT?


Well it would appear to you that he is a weak in the willy, leftist, commie sympathizer.

I think that great patriot Samuel Clemens described your type of patriot best (and it is much like the missle)

Quote:
"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.�


DD

We need less concern about who says good things about a nation and more concern for who says "truthful" things about a nation.
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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to know how much shrapnel stevemcgarrett has taken for America.
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alffy



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
I want to know how much shrapnel stevemcgarrett has taken for America.


Yeah, good question...he once attacked me as a "pacifist" with the clear implication of "non-patriotic" despite the fact I left the Navy as a disabled veteran after 9 years of service.

But I guess my lack of interest in his vitriolic diatribes has negated my sarcrifices for my country.
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody who thinks Kerry is NOT a patriot either (a) doesn't know who he's talking about or else (b) is waaaay too far right wing.

You are starting to sound like those in Turkey wanting to prosecute Turks who speak out against "Turkishness" according to some such law.

America is a nation built on the freedom to express political opposition and criticism and in fact it's at those moments when I admire America the most. I wish I grew up in a nation built on the premise that it is one's right, nay, duty! to speak out against injustice.
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wannago



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alffy wrote:
gang ah jee wrote:
I want to know how much shrapnel stevemcgarrett has taken for America.


Yeah, good question...he once attacked me as a "pacifist" with the clear implication of "non-patriotic" despite the fact I left the Navy as a disabled veteran after 9 years of service.

But I guess my lack of interest in his vitriolic diatribes has negated my sarcrifices for my country.


Being injured in a military vehicle accident isn't taking shrapnel for your country.
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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wannago wrote:
Being injured in a military vehicle accident isn't taking shrapnel for your country.

WTF? Seriously.
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wannago



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gang ah jee wrote:
wannago wrote:
Being injured in a military vehicle accident isn't taking shrapnel for your country.

WTF? Seriously.


'Tis the truth. I'm not saying this directly to alfy because I don't know his/her situation, but people get all hopped up over having a hummer accident and get all indignant about how they took one for the nation. Just giving a gentle reminder. Wink
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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wannago wrote:
'Tis the truth. I'm not saying this directly to alfy because I don't know his/her situation, but people get all hopped up over having a hummer accident and get all indignant about how they took one for the nation. Just giving a gentle reminder. Wink

Would you say that to a humvee accident widow?

And what kind of injuries did you experience when you were in the service?
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